Thread: New stone new to hone new video yikes.

Okay I am trying 3 new things here. You are more than welcome to critique all 3 :<0)

That is not how I take out frowns (I just hone them out...I feel this takes the minimum amount of steel off the razor to accomplish the job), but it does not make it wrong.

One thing you are doing wrong (and I do also) is flip the razor with the edge down. It's a bad habit, but I cannot fix it

Regarding the circles, I find it easier to put the heel forward slightly (this will keep stabilizers and other features near the heel on some blades off the hone and out of the way).

Otherwise, what you are doing looks like a start. The more you do, the more you will learn.

Oh yeah, I'm no expert, I just thought I'd chime in with something since you put forth the effort

Good show!

Originally Posted by unit

That is not how I take out frowns (I just hone them out...I feel this takes the minimum amount of steel off the razor to accomplish the job), but it does not make it wrong.

One thing you are doing wrong (and I do also) is flip the razor with the edge down. It's a bad habit, but I cannot fix it

Regarding the circles, I find it easier to put the heel forward slightly (this will keep stabilizers and other features near the heel on some blades off the hone and out of the way).

Otherwise, what you are doing looks like a start. The more you do, the more you will learn.

Oh yeah, I'm no expert, I just thought I'd chime in with something since you put forth the effort

Good show!

I am glad to hear any and all input. You see on the table there I have plenty to practice on. Another thing... If i go into my George Carlin routine an start showing off just slap me :<0) I am really no ham but give me a drink and a mic and I may embarrass myself LOL.

I'm happy to try and help, but I'm not super experienced, and video (while good) is not nearly as good as being in the same room.

I have no doubt that others will have some good insight, and even more so if you keep the camera running.

Well I have yet to find any honemiesters in my neck of the woods but I think video can make this a very small world really quick. A picture may be worth a thousand words but a video will bore you in less than 2 :<0).

I am also up for any ideas on how to do better with the video. I will play with lighting, close ups and editing in the near future. I just like to jump in and then improve as needed.

Looks like we all did at one time. Anyhow, breadknife your frowns at an angle similar to what I pictured. It's a little more ergonomic, and a lot less clumsy feeling. Plus, you won't be grinding a truly flat edge onto your razor, and it'll be easier to get your bevel back.

Most razors that have frowns, have them because the stabilyzers at the heel got in the way of honing a good edge onto the razor. So the previous owner kept on pressing and pressing on the heel, hoping to bring it back in line. Eventually, it creates that frown.JMHO. Havign said that, you're probably going to have to do some work grinding away at those stabilyzers, to get them out of the way.

Using a heel forward stroke, can help you get the whole edge in contact with the stone, without damaging the stabilyzers. Use the heel forward stroke. But I don't think you're done with edge restoration yet. Gotta work on the stabilyzers still.

Don't spend too much time at 250 grit. Don't spend too little time at 1k grit.

You may be using too much pressure on the hone. It's really very hard to tell. Especially at 250 grit. But something doesn't sound right.

You discoverd that the razor feels like it needs to rock in order to stay in contact with the hone. This razor is asking for the rolling x stroke.

I hope I've helped a little. Bottom line is: Keep on practicing. You'll get there.

I have moved up to the 1000k King and trying to get my bevel set after fixing a frown.
Had to stop for an e-bay alert so is in 2 parts .

part 1



part 2




Very much open for critics comments and advice. I still have a pile of razors to learn on :<0)

on the last vodeo, the razor should cut hair at skin level , that is a good indication the bevel is set.
Another thing that I noticed is the stone sounds very gritty, is that just sound effect? Kings are pretty smooth stones.

Razors with frowns can be shaved with.
The frown, with proper honing, will be reduced then eliminated.
Breadknifing is edge removal, and we have enough ways to accomplish that already.

Originally Posted by ace

Razors with frowns can be shaved with.
The frown, with proper honing, will be reduced then eliminated.
Breadknifing is edge removal, and we have enough ways to accomplish that already.

I did shave with that razor as it was one of my first. I bought 4 from e-bay and started learning on them. I was having trouble in the beginning and thought it was takin to many passes and lots of hair pulling. From lurking here I decided to get a 4/8k and start learning to hone. Got a nice Duck a few weeks later and sent that to Glen. When I got it back I knew I had to practice and pay more attention. Fast forward .... I got about 10 more razors and most actually came shave ready. I like buying from sellers that sell lots of razors :<0). So I had this group I wasn't happy with and I started seeing mention of frowns like it was a bad thing and one on how to see them. I found the razors I wasn't happy with had some form of frown and in some cases a couple of waves. Now I never gave it a thought to learn to hone a frowning razor and have set out to just fix them. From what you say I could learn and wait for the frown to hone out but how many years would THAT take? I guess my question now is, " is that what most do ? Learn to hone a frown ? " It goes against my grain not to fix something that ain't just right.