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I noticed a few posts about Tony Miller selling Thuringen stones, as an alternative to Belgian Coticules.
I've just bought one from Germany, as they were much much cheaper than Belgian coticules - $30 including shipping to UK for 200mm x 50mm as opposed to $80 for a 100mm x 30mm Coticule.
Has anyone tried the Thuringen stones yet?, and how do they rate them against the Belgian stones ??
Northpole
$30 shipped sounds a very good price - can I ask where from?
These were mentioned before by a few members and are from www.manufactum.de
Not the same source as mine but honestly a better choice if you are in Europe/UK as I cannot compete against EU shipping and exchange rates. Mine factor in lapping and easing of the edges though in addition to the trip across the Atlantic.
Tony
They're NOT from Manufactum. I got it from a tool site recommended on a German sraight razor forum. These are supposed to be of superior quality to those sold by manufactum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Effigy
https://www.toolshop.de/index.php?cPath=367_376&page=3
I got the price wrong - it was 30 euros (£20) not $, but that was for the biggest size. The 150 x 50 was 19 Euros + 8 shipping. Still a good price.
Northpole
PS. don't bother trying to order from Manufactum.de. as they don't ship to the UK. The reason being that there is a UK Manufactum site - Manufactum.co.uk BUT the UK site doesn't stock this item !!
Not from Manufactum. The german razor forums give a number of suppliers of Thuringen stones, that are supposed to be of better quality than those sold by ManufactumQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony Miller
That's a new one to me, but there are a few German retailers for these. I know Manufactum has a several websites and not all will ship or sell the same items to all locations. Before I sold Thurnigens I tried buying one from Manufactum but shipping was about equal to the stone.
Tony
I know, I had a crazy conversation with their Sales people, who told me that Manufactum will not sell from one country to another where there is a Manufactum branch, to stop Sales being lost to the home branch.Quote:
Originally Posted by northpole
"But you dont sell this item in the UK" I said.
" I know - Crazy isnt it!" she said.
Go figure.
Thanks for the link:tu
There's been a lot of discussion on nassrasur.com whether the Thuringers from Muller Schleiftechnik are better than those of Manufaktum.
I have a Manufaktum one and I think it is a great stone. Maybe a bit slower than my coticule but considering its price I think the Manufaktum Thuringer is great VFM.
A German guy I have been e-mailing with has also got a few vintage Thuringers and they are identical to the Manufaktum stones.
I think Muller Schleiftechnik do ship to the UK. They sell a variety of sizes and are not very expensive either.
Yes, I came across similar info on the German forums, which said that those sold by Manufactum and the one i've bought would be just as good as vintage stones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kees
I think everyone will have their own take on which stones are best, but I think they will all be pretty similar.
Northpole
Sorry, do not mean to highjack but,I am wondering how this Thuringen stone would compare to the 12K at woodcraft:
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=4920
Thanks,
Neale
They are different animals. The Thuringen is a soft stone much like the Escher. The Chinese 12k is a very hard stone that cuts very slowly, 100 laps after the Norton 8k is not unusual. The Chinese 12K will not tolerate an edge that is even slightly rounded but the Thuringen will since you use a slurry with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by padron
Hope this helps,:)
Thanks Randy!!
This may be a dumb question, but...
I recently purchased a Thuringen from Tony and have used it on a couple of razors. While I'm very new to honing, I have to say I'm please with the results so far.
My question is how much of a slurry do I need to build when using this or similar stones? Should I go to town and build a thick heavy slurry or will just a few passes suffice? :shrug: Thanks!
Jordan
Jordan,
Glad it's working well. I don't go overboard with the slurry on these or on Eschers. I use the little rubbing stone in a series of circular motions, extending off of both sides of the stone and running end to end. Kind of like applying wax to a car. I get a light cloudy paste with maybe 75% coverage. After that I hone away. When done I usually leave the whitish slurry on the stone.
My next order is at the sawyer now and may ship as early as next week with a 3 t0 4 week transit time. I'll still add a week here for lapping and rounding though.
Tony
Thanks Tony. So you don't rinse the stone when done? You just let it dry?
Jordan
The link to the German web site www.toolshop.de has been posted but the others haven't. Would someone please post the links to the other German sites? This is all very interesting!
Here they are:
http://www.manufactum.de/track_flash...Pr.5112.0.html
and:
http://www.mst-mueller.de/index2.html
The second link is not working very well at the moment. This happens more often. After a couple of days you'll find on the left side of the page a menu, I think you have to choose: "Neue Produkte" for the Thuringers.
Thank you very much Kees. I got it to work by going to home and selecting "Neue Produkte".
Did you get any response from them Rich? I emailed them a little while back as I have seen them mentioned on German forums but never got an answer. Maybe they only deal in larger orders from abroad, if at all? Of course they might just not have understood my broken German or English (although that's unlikely).
They are slow! It took me ages to get an answer. The guys from nassrasur.com usually ring the company and manage to get Herr Mueller on the phone. Let me know if I can be of any help.
They are different animals. The chinese stone is very hard compared to the Escher family which are soft stones. They give different results on the razors. The Escher family of hones will result in a more comfortable edge but the Chinese stone, which is slower cutting, gives a very sharp, but not as comfortable, edge. These are my impressions and you mileage may vary!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by padron
Randy, have you ever tried using a slurry on the 12K Chinese stones?
At toolshop.de is the natural whetstone fine the same as thuringen?
http://www.toolshop.de/product_info....oducts_id=2057
I am based in Germany but am British - if my brethren in the UK want me to order them a stone for delivery to me, and then post it on, I am more then happy to offer my services.
Cheers
Si
pokkuhlag I think it's a blue stone like the second lot on the mueller page. I suppose it's like a belgian blue.
Sunsi, I may take you up on that offer if I don't get a reply from mueller by email. Mind you I might try phoning them as at the very least my broken German is bound to amuse them. :)
An 8" x 2" thuringen shipped to the UK for $30? That sounds almost too good to be true... but, if it is, I'd like to get one for my collection.
Toolshop.DE quoted me 18 Euro in shipping on the 24 Euro 2 x8 stone.
Tony
If I did I do not remember what thr results were and since I do not use a slurry on that stone then it probably did not work as well.:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by DMS
I will have to take you up on that offer Sunsi. I'll PM soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunsi
PuFF
I looked at that toolshop link. It calls it a natural stone and states that it is fine. Can Tony or anybody here for a fact what that stone is? Is it really a Thuringen? Thanks.
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Del
Del,
The photo seems to look very much like the Hunsrueck Hones more than a true Thuringen. The selling price seems to indicate this as well. I know the remaining Thuringen stock does not yield very large stones and a 2x6 is probably even a stretch. The Hunsruecks are of similar makeup, equally as fine and cut a bit faster.
Even with my supplier there was some confusion over the differences. Maybe Toolshop would disclose their supplier but I doubt it. I know Manufactum was very hush hush about theirs.
Tony
No problem PuFF - I am waiting for the PM. Just in case anyone else is interested, I will buy a stock of them, so pm's or notes here if you will gentlemen.
Kind Regards
Si
ps just reading the German forums, the conclusion is that these are really good stones at a stupid cheap price.
Si