Henkotsu bevels

i have here a quite old Henkotsu; so having got the rust off, and it being my first razor

i put it to a jnat non-name half-stone from the bay [with 330mate stamps, a woodworkers sharpener]

slurried a bit with my 'mystery' nagura [ie, not-Asano-but-nice] to see what i could see

under magnification there was one area where it was microchipped out, so i flatted the Shapton Glass #500

using for the first time a iWood #300 diamond plate from Stu, seems good to go [actually im impressed]

so .. after a session on the SG ive got past the damage

but now i see that the entire tip area seems rounded, meaning the front 5mm of the edge on the hollowed side

[omote?] wont be getting sharp unless i remove a lot more metal

the ura [stamped] side microbevel looks ok

i dont really like how it feels on the Shapton tbh, i think im going to soak my Takeda combi benchstone

a thirsty beast

Sounds interesting!
Can we get any pictures? ;)

Was gonna say. Pics would be good.

+1 we want pics.
On another note on a new Kamisori both sides are hollowed, when the Omote is very used it eventually becomes flat, and needs to be reground if there is enough steel left for that. The Ura should never get to the point it gets flat.

omote tip
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps16781c34.jpg
honed surface to the left

un-honed [rounded] on the right

It should not be like this, but if you can hone it and it shaves well, then you are fine.

Was it like that when you started ? Possibly a nose reduction might be needed. Seems considerably worn.

its allegedly 60 yrs old, and if its ex-barber then its no surprise that its worn

how it got rounded is what i dont get, its not bin wheel-buffed

badly dished stone in the past, maybe? bad honing strokes?

the omote hollow seems done with a scraper or plane, not ground

another viewhttp://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...pscc079b93.jpgheel end of edgehttp://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps63e1abbf.jpgHenkotsu stampshttp://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps8f100c1c.jpg

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Originally Posted by onimaru55

Was it like that when you started ? Possibly a nose reduction might be needed. Seems considerably worn.

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yes

im loth to lose much, but i'll see after i hit it with both sides of the Thirsty Takedas

hm, im now within 2mm

this has to be the result of excessive-compulsive-strop-wear imho, over the years

if the 3 layers of handle tape are any guide, its had at least 3 previous users

ok, im closer to the edge, using the darkside of thishttp://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...psbde00975.jpgcombi benchstone in holder from Shosui Takeda [last one he had in stock]http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps22c4321b.jpgso is there a thin layer of kamaji showing here [or watetsu; i say its kamaji] welded to thin yasuki ... or a swedish? place yer bets http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps8a5ab1b0.jpg

after a good run on the lighter side im even closer to turning the corner .. up next is a small white Takeda

dammit i really wish the Naniwa Omura #1k i caught [used-but-still-with-stamps] at the same time as this razor, was here; its allegedly good with scratchedy and nice pre-Jnat; it was very affordable

I'm going to hazard a guess that one of the previous owners honed it using western style honing strokes. We have all seen heavy toe wear on western razors before. It would only take a single wrong honing to produce that sort of wear at the end.

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Originally Posted by Magpie

I'm going to hazard a guess that one of the previous owners honed it using western style honing strokes. We have all seen heavy toe wear on western razors before. It would only take a single wrong honing to produce that sort of wear at the end.

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interesting, do elucidate pls

or point me at/to a 'HowNotToHoneWesterly'

im very familiar with my stones, razors not so much

SO ANYWAY

decided against the Takeda White #1200, its far too small to get a rhythm on

gave it a few hundred on my longest noname 8x2" Jnat, got a bit of shine now

next is a Kitayama #8k ..

after i get back from the shops

and, as if on cue, theres a Naniwa Omura in my hallway

Grit #150, and small .. o well it was cheap

i think its lost its place in this series, no closeup for IT

Kitayama 8k is pretty much done, its just skating on it nownext up is on Sigma Power #10000 GC stone [dont ask me, i cant read the box, came from Stu at toolsfromjapan]http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps9f617515.jpgstampsidehttp://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...psb8e3f738.jpgtip againhttp://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...pse1e98a41.jpgjust the tipdarling

loads of scratches but looks shiny, and its bit my finger a little
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps18b136a0.jpg

its not finished yet with the SigmaPower 10k GC tho

and after this the SigmaPower 13k

and i ditch the towel, only a few of those scratches are errant threads

These razors scare me. Bought one once, looked at it palm Stropped it with some Vaseline and put it away somewhere. Rather use a bare SE Blade.

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Originally Posted by Johnus

These razors scare me. Bought one once, looked at it palm Stropped it with some Vaseline and put it away somewhere. Rather use a bare SE Blade.

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Hah, I thought I was the only one who palm stropped my razors with petroleum jelly.

Works well.

next up its on to this 13k SigmaPower .. nice texture ehhttp://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...psd86a3b8b.jpgthink the light dried up the edge of the pool there

thats interesting .. after this stone im seeing grain in the iron

quite fine foldings, under my loupe

pics to follow

next up is the Nakayama + Asanos etc

which ive had a couple of years actually without much more than briefly testing

i just couldnt bring myself to lap the stamps off

OK got my "Maruichi" brand Nakayama Suita out .. the back is flat! i dont HAVE to lose the stamps!

ok, so flatted it for a bit looked ok, but the kamisori felt a bit odd so i 'pencilled' the Nakayama .. flatted it

major dip in the middle

pencilled it again, flatted it again

teatime i think

watetsu folds
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...psb08a3266.jpg
current state of the toe after Nakayama + several nagura
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps714c4001.jpg
current state of my arm = baldpatches
more toe ... sharp still aint reached the corner-curve
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps26c14246.jpg

im still undecided about the rounded-frontend issue

whatever, i dont think ive ruined this piece, but im waiting on some strops to arrive

SO so [so] far this project has accomplished several goals:

ive got a working technique for lapping artificials with the new iWood diamond plate .. at
#300 its ok

but on Jnats i feel i want to go finer

i recently acquired a mint Fallkniven DC521, which has a finer and quite large

enough diamond side .. and the ceramic side works well as a bevel-setter

ive played with various type honing strokes, theres a few of those about + i have my own + some togishi tricks

but most importantly i got the unstamped side of my beautiful Nakayama lapped and put a old Henkotsu to it

that was the endgame

neither of em minded a bit

right then .. traded a bit of fingerstone-material for 2 strops, one is a Roma no 46, says FINISH + SHELL HORSEHIDE on one side

the other side seems shiny, is it used?

the other one is a smaller German Diamond Edge No 4 which had been treated with a Thiers compound, he says it was too
coarse, to remove it

treating em both to Effax, which smells delightful

and then a touch of camellia oil

followed by glycerine, following advice on here:
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps1cb5b0f0.jpg
previously loved, but totally fine for my purpose [as a learner, im sure ill add to its scars]
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps33af1645.jpg
its 55mm wide .. wonder why its a No46
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps1a290346.jpg
current StateOfTheEdge

perhaps time to excavate a shaving brush .. it does arm-hairs fine