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Odd size Clark & hall cast steel razor. The cutting edge is the same size but everything is an inch shorter. Nice razor in great condition feels light though. Any idea of year or why it is smaller?
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Odd size Clark & hall cast steel razor. The cutting edge is the same size but everything is an inch shorter. Nice razor in great condition feels light though. Any idea of year or why it is smaller?
So are these smaller razors the travel razors from back then?
Very nice razor, despite the honewear, looks to be in fairly good condition overall. I'm no so sure about the size being smaller, could very well be as you mentioned a travel razor. Furthermore, Clark & Hall was founded/listed in 1797, partners were Marmaduke Clark and James Hall, listed as razor makers. In 1816 apparently the company changed its name to Clark, Hall & Clark, I have never seen a razor with that mark but it is possible as it is listed as such in Directory.
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Additionally the partnership between Clark & Hall dissolve in 1821, when Clark Joined Samuel Osborn, to form Clark & Osborn. My opinion on your razor is that it is a fairly early 1800-1810.
Martin it is beyond me how you keep all that stuff straight. It would not matter how much reference material I had, I would never be able to keep it straight as to where to look for what. I am not a book guy, nor a history buff, so you and the other "keeper of the books" have me in awe regularly.
In millimeter, the sizes of this Spain razor :
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Edit : Well, it seems that I've misplaced a "h".
Sorry !
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My oldest razor 'Lisbon' made by Warburton, Sheffield early part of the 19th Century , I'm guessing...
Plenty of age and patina on it !
Hey guys...don't skewer me for this but, I thought I would just throw this in for amusement.
18th-Century Straight Razor SR-775, Jas. Townsend and Son, Inc.
That is interesting. Current makers imitate other periods, I was wondering how long it would be before anyone made something to imitate something from the 1700's?
Frankly, I like the shape and heft of those old beauties! Were I to make razor, doubtful at my age, those of that period,are the ones that I would copy. They shave a treat, and yes, they don't have a heel to work the lip area, but with no beard, I can fully enjoy a shave with them.
~Richard
After waving my hands around my face for a couple minutes while sitting in my chair, I remembered that I have a 'stash and a short upper lip. The question is a valid one though. I did trim above the stash for a change a couple times. When trimming the ends, any blade toe will do.
~Richard
Don't know if this qualifies...
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William Greaves and sons, original scales were bent and broken so unusable. Replaced with some (probably little later) Sheaf works ones.
A real pleasure to shave with !
Doing a little Easter Egg hunting at the antiques market today and I found this Greaves stub tail. :D It's seen a few hones over the years and has some rust going in places, the bone scales are intact and the price was basically negligible. Pretty cool!
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Awesome score Tuzi, can not wait to see it all honed up and ready, you will do it justice for sure.
Wow nice Easter gift. Greaves one of my favorites. What date range are you thinking?
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Greaves became Greaves and sons in 1816.
Nice find, Tuzi! 200 year-old shaver! :tu
Be gentle! (I know you will!)
Any Guess on who this maker is. It looks like it might be Moore, but can't find any reference on that name for stub tail time period. Wasn't really expecting to buy this one. Put in low bid just because I liked the scales and won for $26.00 so I figure it worth figuring out who made it and age. I don't have the razor yet so maybe can tell more once it is in hand. I almost hope the razor is garbage and shaves awful cause I want to take the scales and use on an older project I never finished.
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Those are pretty scales.
I had to share my latest Ebay catch. This was in a small lot. The scales are
crumbling, this is the good side. I've reinforced the B side with CA and I think I
can save them.
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I picked this one up at an antiques fair this morning. It's a Clark and Hall Warranted that needs some work, but the price was right.
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Maybe this razor is made by “Henry BIRKS” (7, 1786, F1795),
son of “Richard BIRKS”, Owlerton, cutler (deceased), to “John“, razor maker.
Henry (F1795) had 2 brothers, Richard (F1791) & William (F1791), their father Richard, Owlerton, cutler, was deceased ≤1791. It seems to be too much of coincidence that the two brothers Henry & Richard were apprenticed by William & John Birks, razor makers…
It seems to me the latter are “William BIRKS” (F1774/1783) & “John” (F1786), sons of “William BIRKS” (F1748, †1783). I wouldn’t be surprised if “Richard, Owlerton, cutler”, was a brother of “William BIRKS” (F1774/1783) & “John” (F1786)…
Otherwise it also could be made by for example “James Birks” (F1791),
son of “George Birks”, razor maker, who was apprenticed to his father
(“George Birks” F1754, cutler?)…
https://historyrazors.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/birks/
Another of my grandpas razors is a Bingham Criterion, with a crown and V R stamp would say that it was made between 1837 - 1900. The stubbed tail would indicate a date of pre 1870.
I don't know how to tell if the scales are bone or Bakelite.
Any ideas
Julie
Oh man...there are some great razors in this thread...it makes me want a stub so bad but they are so hard to find...
I'm not sure if this one counts, but I'd say it is a stub-tail. It dates to between 1816 and 1822. It is my first and only near-wedge and my only one that is nearly 1 inch, at 31/32". Attachment 273203
Well, looking at it now, I am reminded that it is not a stub-tail, but I think this razor was right after the end of that era. You all can remove it, if you want. It shaves very well; gives me that "rubbery" shave. I love English wedges/near-wedges. They are about the only style of razor (with the exception of maybe a 3/4 hollow) that can handle my dense, wiry beard. I have to prep very well, to get great results. Later.
Picked up two new ones. An unknown from Germany. Any info anyone knows would be great. Very short blunt tail. The other is a John Sheppard dip toe, but the tail is a sharp point. Not sure what to make of that. Both need some work to get shaving again.
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Another for the club. Got this yesterday and honed it up. Now to strop it and wait for the whiskers to grow to give it a test. No idea of the maker. Was a bit of a challenge for me to hone.
Bob
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Here's my latest old razor. W. Greaves & Sons, Cast Steel, circa 1816 - 1830 Sheaf-Works. This morning I put an edge on it and shaved with it. It's a good shaver.
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Hey rideon66, here's my guess: it's a Nils Grönstrand.
See here: Bilder | eskilstunaknivar.se (you need to scroll down a little bit)
For the record:
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Två rakknivar stämplade med en pipa, tillverkade av Nils Grönstrand som var knivsmed, slipare och mästare i Eskilstuna Fristad. 1801 valdes han till rådman i Eskilstuna. OBS Fristadsstämpeln, krönt E, på övre kniven. Eskilstuna Stadsmuseum. Foto: Torbjörn Eriksson.
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Two razors stamped with a pipe, made by Nils Grönstrand who was a knifesmith, grinder and champion in Eskilstuna Fristad. In 1801 he was elected councilor in Eskilstuna. Note the Fristad stamp, crown E, on the upper knife. Eskilstuna Stadsmuseum. Photo: Torbjörn Eriksson.
Here is a William Ryan I rescaled with G10 using the original scales as a template. I think I used black dye to darken the scales a bit. Kept the metal wedge. Brass fasteners since I need practice pinning.
Blade was sent to Glen (gssixgun) for cleaning and polishing. Probably going to sell it though since I need to thin the herd.
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Very interesting. It looks like the same blade style almost exactly. I don't see the crown with an E in my second figure next to the pipe though. Maybe it is Swedish though. It could also be mine may just be a bad stamp that can't be read correctly.
Thanks for the info.