Haha, all I've got is my android! OH and I'm dyslexic to 😆! Talk about insult to injury!!
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Haha, all I've got is my android! OH and I'm dyslexic to 😆! Talk about insult to injury!!
I was looking at your profile just as you answered. I'm a welding instructor in Houston!
Excellent razors! That last one looks to be French with the lack of tail and with makers mark I would guess puts that razor in this time period. I'll do some serious research this afternoon.
Thank You☺ there really hard to find (at least the obscure ones), HARDER to find those who can appreciate the history and workmanship of, whom I believe to be, THE MASTERS!!
I agree. I am lucky to own two razors from this time period It's fun to think about the lives of the gentleman who were the original owners.
What's REALLY Kool is there is a greater possibility that they could have shave one of our forefathers than me meeting you 😕! Think about it, there was only 2.5 million population then 318 million now. The numbers don't lie! Wish I had numbers that good in my favor when the loto was over 1 billion you know!
That might not help (well and surely won't help for curlers, unless the master cutlers were also masters of lobbing stones around on the ice) - it's quite possible they were made somewhere else in England, or even outside of England. There were lots of other manufacturers at the time who might not be recorded in Sheffield. These razors mostly came from (correct me if I'm wrong) Sweden from recent auctions (and a lot of stubtails seem to come from there nowadays) so at some point they made their way there, or some may have been made there (Nils Grönstrand, for example).
As to the lack of tail, some makers didn't put on large tails, some English makers put on huge tails, sometimes razors have pivots broken off and redrilled to make no tails, it's very hard to say anything directly from just that. You have to see a reference to the mark somewhere documented to be sure. As to the pipe razor, there were numerous makers who used pipes as marks:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...ml#post1020699
Thank You, I agree, especially the marks, we need a more definitive answer of the marks!
I have some documentation on these older razors on my pc. I'll post what I have tonight when I get home from work
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Thoughts on this one?
Just wanted to say, the stubtails out of Sweden are often originated from Sheffield, I have a couple of Smith's, Lin(d)ley's, Bengall's, Elliot's, Shepherd (crown WOLF), "GB", Norris,... from Sweden!
Nice reference to that tread, but those "pipe" - markings are not only from the 18th century I'm afraid, there are markings from the 19th, even from the 20th century...
The point I was making was just that it's difficult to say without a lot of scrutiny because many makers used pipes during the 18th, incl. French, that was maybe not the best example thread to use. But I count 5 from the available pages of Sketchley's and the well-known 2 from G&M 1787 razor-maker listings. There are marks of non-razor listings which are important, as they may have not been making razors at the time the directory was assembled.
Indeed, absolutely right, good point! That was indeed a lesson to be learned, I tend too stick to much to the Sheffield's, which isn't always correct of course!
Yes, the Sketchley's include if I'm not mistakes the family Linley (3) and Birks, there are indeed more pipes in the rest of the directories as well :-)
Which makes it all so easy... :p
It's def been reground. I did the old burned needle trick and the scales are indeed horn. It's been cleaned up. My guess someone attempted to restore it some time ago. The jimps were added probably then. They just look too fresh to be original.
I'll have to test the steel to see if it was forged in later 18th century but so far it's passed all the preliminary tests.
One can ask a copy of Sheffield directories (payment needed for copies and postage) at:
* Sheffield Archives,
archives@sheffield.gov.uk
www.sheffield.gov.uk/archives
https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/librari...rectories.html
Regards
I've been sitting on a web link to a place that does this work for over a year while other projects get in the way.
My understanding is that it starts getting inaccurate in the late 1700's as the industrial revolution party gets started and becomes pretty useless by the time the globe got saturated with strontium in the 1950's... But that's perfect for our uses! I've got a couple of razors that I suspect date to 1559-1650, and I'd love to get them tested.
Please keep us posted on the test results for your razor!
And yeah, I know I lot of folks that can do the basic test, but none of them have access to the database where all the magic lives! Best of luck!
The thing is, I'm not sure I have either! Hence, the tests. :D
Here's both of them with a 7/8 Joseph Rodgers to get a sense of scale.
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You can probably tell which of the two I've cleaned up -- I also started honing it, but this was all done one lazy Sunday morning while hanging out with 10Pups and Wolfpack34, so I didn't have a chance to finish the honing while I was there. It DOES appear it will take a usable edge.
Both of them have been on a contact grinder before I got them. I would guess it happened in the first couple decades of the 1900's, based on other razors I've had that were reground around then. The scales are made of painted wood and are definitely not original.
Both of them have strange, spikey tails.
The marks aren't useful because they're so old. So far, the closest I've been able to get to identifying them is very old illustrations, and they look most like razors that were made in Germany between 1400 and 1650 or so.
When I got them I suspected they were Victorian stage replicas, but I'm a lot less sure of that now.
Interesting!
I've been wondering if this one is also maybe older then 1700...
It has the shape, and also that typical little notch on the spine, at the tang...
Unmarked though... (and scales probably changed in the course of...)
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Such awesome examples. Man I love this thread !! You guys have some really nice razors.
The tang looks like it was designed to be held with the scales straight out. Pinching that area near the blade with thumb and finger. Sorry just thinking out loud and wondering what the smith was thinking :<0)
Those are indeed very interesting! Thank you very much Zak & Fikira. :tu
Great!
Well, here we go (pictures taken in original, not cleaned state, sorry...):
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Where the pin goes through the tang, it was made ticker in a circular shape (especially at the under side of the tang), I believe this also is rather typical for VERY old razors, also the typical notch at the spine towards the tang in better seen in these pics
Here are mine for reference (a few of these I no longer own - one went to Zak, one went elsewhere).
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Got this interesting looking ancient Spencer razor. I believe these are the original scales since there is a word stamped on the washers saying "W SPENCER" from what it looks like..Can anyone help to identify the maker? Maybe the date as well?
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Incredible looking razor for sure, scales and washers are somewhat unusual yet so nice. Anyway there was a William Spencer 1795-1852 listed from Sheffield on Allen Street that would probably fit the time period of this razor.
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I just drool over these older than me razors.
Hi guys (and girls) !
I just recently acquired a rusty but kinda unused razor:
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I have to say that oldie is pretty big: 15/16 wide (not that uncommon), but the edge is 3' 11/32 long (8.5 cm), which is by far the longest blade I own (it beats hands up my 1820's 3' 1/4 Greaves or Joseph Elliot).
Does anybody know a maker whose trademark (or name) was SPAIN ? I know form 1787 directories that Benjamin Withers' trademark was ESPAGNE (Spain in french), but I can't find SPAIN specifically.
From the shape and the typicall dip-at-toe, I date that baby from 1770-1780 (maybe older ?) but I would be grateful to have any more infos.