trying to find info on this maker and another one. ill make a separate post for each manufacturer. ive seen a couple examples of razors from both makers and cant dig up concrete info. any would be much appreciated.
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trying to find info on this maker and another one. ill make a separate post for each manufacturer. ive seen a couple examples of razors from both makers and cant dig up concrete info. any would be much appreciated.
The crown with V/R was used by Joseph Rodgers& sons. Strazors.com
used by a LOT of makers! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bouschie
All I have found so far
Middleton Samuel Smith and Co. cutlery, and razor strop, &c. manufacturers, 52 Eyre street ; 11 Button hill From Whites Directory of Sheffield 1852
Whites directory 1857 Middleton Saml. S. & Co., cutlery mfrs.,
161 Arundel st
Edmund/ MIDDLETON/ lodger/ Un/ 17/ / apprentice/ Sheffield
I've seen those as well, can't seem to find info tying to union st.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfries
So far I cannot either, trying to trace the moves and why Edmund popped up?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverloaf
Middleton John, jun. merchant, 4 Union st
from 1837 directory. john middleton also made bowie knives around the same period if im not mistaken. not sure what the "jun. merchant" means????
That mark simply reflects that Victoria was queen (Victoria Regina) when the razor was made. It has nothing to do with the makerQuote:
Originally Posted by bouschie
The blade was made by William Middleton, the son of also W. Middleton, who was listed after 1825, as a merchant, factor, and table knife manufacturer in George Street.
By 1937, William joined the father's business. William was a merchant in Union Street, with a residence in Bloomhall Place. By 1839, father and son had formed Middleton, Newton & Middleton, which had a New York office in Maiden Lane. On 14 August 1841 William Middleton Sen. died at Stand House, aged 51. In the following year, the partnership was dissolved and, most likely, the previous name was returned - Middleton.
100%.Quote:
(Victoria Regina) when the razor was made. It has nothing to do with the maker
One of these days I will crack your sources, thanks manah,Quote:
Originally Posted by manah
I really enjoy it when you history gurus shine light on these threads.
Not need. Ask and I'll reply.:)Quote:
One of these days I will crack your sources
when you do let me know! im in awe, iv had this blade quite awhile, had tried to find info several times before, just getting around to fixing her up and thought id see what others could dig up. I wish I had sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfries
Manah- my first inkling was 1850-s ish, you wouldn't have any other info that might suggest how long middleton jr might have continued on after papas death? or a better insightful eye to the details and styling that im probably misjudging?
Can't say for sure.Quote:
how long middleton jr might have continued on after papas death?
But in 1895 William Middleton & Co. had office/store in London on 4 Edmond's Place, Shepherdess Walk. And this information is enough, because your blade was made before 1891.
So, the blade was made after 1841 and before 1891.
My opinion, the blade was made at 1850s, a bit plus or minus.
thank you again, that confirmed my first impression. :D having documentation to support an impression is FAR better than assumptions.
Always Presume never Assume :ziplip:Quote:
Originally Posted by silverloaf
I couldn't man, I had nothing concrete! but did you notice I didn't state what my assumption was til I saw proofs offered up? that's gotta count for something, eh? haha:pQuote:
Originally Posted by pfries
or perhaps I......surmised it! no one ever surmises anymore, whuzzup wit dat?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by pfries
Not sure why on that but anything I postulate will be pure conjecture! :hmmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by silverloaf
indubitably, good sir, indubitablyQuote:
Originally Posted by pfries