Looking for any info on my Gratian I can get. I've heard there's a similar one in the Mt. Vernon muesum but that's about it.
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Looking for any info on my Gratian I can get. I've heard there's a similar one in the Mt. Vernon muesum but that's about it.
Beauty ! :D
Thanks man! The guy who cleaned it up for me did a great job and it the onky thing I shave with.
Killer blade. You need to be shaving with that beauty. Welcome to SRP by the way ........ someone will be along to tell you when the maker lived and died, what he ate for lunch ...... ;)
Indeed a beauty, a certain Washington fellow own a Gratian, http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...an-1900-a.html
The trademark Gratian belongs to Jonathan Hall,Sheffield, England, 1795- 1835 plus or minus a few.
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That's about all the info ive found. Tried contacting the museum. Also saw a list once online, that I think was of blade makers in Sheffield during certain time periods.
Wasn't that from the 1787 Gales and Martin?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
My grandmothers maiden name is Hall. Seems fitting.
From this thread,http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...r-help-id.html with the same razor! But the info is from Goins i believed!Quote:
Originally Posted by ScienceGuy
The dating for Hall is Goins and the trademark picture from Gales and Martin, and Why do you ask?
Appericate the help fellas. I had seen that article before didn't realize it had the blademakers name on it. It is the same razor.
Just wondering about the difference between 1787 and the date range of 1795-1835.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
One was sold in Robt. Doyle's online auction of Judge Lummus' razors and I believe Joe Edson purchased one similar
I bought a few pieces from that sale but sadly all are gone
I found link to pics of Joe's Gratian... he is not around much lately...
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...65#post2915365
Good point but that why i mentioned "give or take a few" meaning years, there a quite a few examples of Hall being in business from 1795-1835, the Gales and Martin book online is actually from 1889? and also was reprinted quite a few times before that as well, so was it revised? it wouldnt be the first error in the Goins book for sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by ScienceGuy
Yeah, there's not a lot of information about Jonathan Hall.
He does not show up in the 1774 edition of Gales & Martin, but he is in the 1787 edition (the original, as well as the reprints).
For what it's worth, although there are kind of a lot of apprentices named Jonathan Hall listed in the Cutler's Company, there's one that slots neatly into the known (and suspected) time frame.
Jonathan Hall, son of Jonathan Hall at Dove House, cutler of Ecclesall, deceased -- apprenticed to Georgius Smith, cutler in 1780, freed 1783.
The normal apprenticeship was 7 years, but that entry makes it fairly clear that Jonathan was apprenticed to his father, who died partway through his apprenticeship, where Georgius Smith took over.
Georgius Smith is listed in the 1774 edition of Gales & Martin as a razor-maker with the mark G. SMITH (not to be confused with GEORGE Smith & Sons who used the marks (cross) SMITH / T S / and LEIPZIG).
In any event, after the late 1700's, Jonathan Hall's record is extremely spotty. By 1829 he was advertising as a merchant, factor and manufacturer on Union Lane. In the 1833 directory, the same address was listed as John & William Hall, suggesting Jonathan had died.
In the same timeframe, there was also a Jonathan Hall who made nail clippers and nippers, but that was a completely separate person. There was also a file cutter and a knife maker of the same name, around the same time.
