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Hello all,
I am constantly browsing various places to buy straight razors, and I came across this blade. I have yet to see anything like it, and was wondering if anyone was familiar with why they would design a blade in this way. I think it looks cool, but I am concerned if the design will present issues during future honing.
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If you know anything about this design, or have had experience with one, I would love to hear from you.
Thanks guys!
Bellied Hollow...
They're are actually quite common, it is often easier to "Feel" them rather then "See" them
The straight razor - Straight Razor Place Library
There is another possibility, hard to tell from your pic
But here is more info
http://straightrazorpalace.com/custo...al-scales.html
It is a bellied hollow and I have not had a problem honing them so far. There is a thread here http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...ed-hollow.html .
Bob
Ah, the good ol' bellied hollow. Thanks guys!
So should the asymmetry in the "belly", be of any concern? I don't want to get a seemingly cool blade that will cause problems in the future. I create enough of those on my own. :p
Called double belly I believe.
If I am not wrong they were made with two different size wheels. I have seen theories, that it was not easy to get the hollow grind for the size with one wheel only so a large radius wheel was used to create more of a wedge grind, then a smaller radius wheel was used to get the hollow grind. Not sure if this is true or not.
Here some examples of the same.
This one is very subtle but it is there
http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9epdnnhx.jpg
This one has more pronounced double belly
http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3owynrqq.jpg
The line in the middle of the blade is a result of the double belly
http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/...psodeiq9pm.jpg
A lot of my hollow grounds have them. I usually see the line on the blade and can feel it with my fingers. On occasion I have seen it like you have in your OP. Never had a problem honing with them and find that I like the added strength it seems to give to the blade when shaving.
That razor reminds me of a high heel shoe. Cool lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
I see what you are concerned about with the asymmetry of the belly. I have not run into that and on second look have not seen an edge that close to the belly either. Always wondered what would happen if you honed up into the belly and that may be the cause of the asymmetry you are seeing. Is there more spine wear on one side than the other? I will let the more experienced honers answer your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMartin0321
Bob
Wow, that's a killer razor you have there Glen.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Here's another pic from the side if that helps.
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Thanks for the info. That blade looks insane! :dropjaw:Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
Yes Doc what you have there is more like that Yankee Cutlery
Read the Patent link that Oz posted for even more info in #19 in that thread
http://straightrazorpalace.com/custo...tml#post854701
Read post #22 in that thread also
Shaves amazing too, but it needs some getting used to to the extreme smile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steel
Very informative bit of reading. I like Mr. Korn's thought process. Does it seem to translate into improved face feel/shave quality as he suspected?Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
There certainly isn't any concave in the lower portion of the blade, and when I place a straight edge from the spine to the edge in the picture, there only fractions of a mm to the belly. It seems as though it would be very sensitive to any pressure on the hone due to this ridiculously small clearance. I'm wondering if the asymmetry in the belly shape is actually due to prior honing chewing into the belly. I guess I could tape the spine for a little more clearance when honing. Maybe I'm getting in over my head with this one.:thinking:
That wouldn't happen to be a Rosette Ribbon 80?(guessing from the pics)Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMartin0321
That razor has quite a bit of honewear and the toe has been tapered as a result, I wouldn't pay much for it if I were you, in fact, I most likely would pass on it.
Edit:
OP, I paid less for my completely NOS Rosette Ribbon 40(basically the same blade except that it's shorter and full hollow instead of bellied) from another seller.
It sure is sir. I like the lines of the Rosette Ribbons, and have been looking to get a Japanese blade. I appreciate your appraisal, and will keep looking.:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Baxxer
I think I know of a razor that you might be interested in.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMartin0321
PM sent.
Check out my post from about two years ago, it shows a W&B razor with the same feature but further up the blade than yours. I actually like it because it seems to give the blade some stiffness so it shaves smooth like a near wedge but the blade is nice and light like a full hollow.
http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...ke-before.html
Very, very cool blade! There are so many interesting blades out there. I feel as if I'm just scratching the surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldragon
I think you are waaaaaay over thinking this. Treat it like a normal razor and hone it! I did that with a Korn American Double Hollow (very similar grind) and it shaves like a champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocMartin0321
Given the wide flats along the spine it's quite possible that it started as properly made razor and it got there by excessive honing.
You are right, though, most of the time full hollow razors have the belly further from the edge. I think the pictures in the library are from razors without much hone wear, but when I put them I just picked the ones that looked sharpest and not brand new razors (it's fairly difficult to focus on the razor point with handheld point&shoot camera in medium light).
But I have plenty of brand new razors without excessive hone wear from the factory and that geometry in the pictures is representative for the vast majority of razors. There's probably the occasional odd one or mistakes, but the idea behind the double grind is achieving more hollowing so a belly close to the edge doesn't really accomplish that too well.
Also there's the asymmetry left-right i.e. with respect to a vertical plane - that's poor grinding (i.e. poor set up of the grinder with different size wheels on each side) no doubt about it.
The Union Cutlery 4 Points have a rather obvious belly also
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Altohugh not equally obvious, I have seen a few vintage Boker razors with a similar grind.
