Odd spine. Removed or made this way?

http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...ml#post1456970


There is a pic of just one style of a "True Frameback"

Thank you, but my point was that this is a hollowed one, and not the typical almost wedge Swedish razor,
I have 20-30 of those, and none of them are full hollowed like this razor, I also believe that the guard razors are mostly near wedge or half hollow ground, but not full hollow...

Is this be correct what I'm thinking?

Thanks!

Terribly sorry for the name confusion!
What I mean with Swedish framebacks is one like this:
Attachment 195705
They are wedge shaped but VERY narrow, hence the need of a "tube"
Therefore my idea that this was a "real Swedish frameback" that had a large chip which was maybe removed and in need of a full holow ground, which led to the unnecessarity of the "tube"

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Originally Posted by Martin103

Indeed the same kind of guard on this "Little Torrey"

Attachment 195461
Attachment 195462

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My Torrey Little Guard. The blade could use a little cleaning up!

Attachment 195726

Okay, here are a few other pics, that have stirred a controversy, since the original posting. They may help depict if the blade was reground from a near wedge to a hollow grind. Or in fact the blade was originally designed this way, and is only missing the guard.
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...pstrdft3wi.jpg
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5ldeagm5.jpg
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...psi3lk53e3.jpg

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Originally Posted by Neil Miller

I have seen loads like this - I have a seven day set as you can see in the link you provided, and loads of similar ones have passed through my hands. Like I said before, they were made like that, in other places than Sweden like Germany and America.

They are not the result of regrinding a faulty razor.

Furthermore, this 'guard' design is not a frameback - framebacks have a spine that is permanently attached to the scales - the pivot pin goes through it. The blades are held by this spine (or frame - hence 'frame-back') by some sort of mechanism like a small screw up front of a spring mechanism. It is very inconvenient to hone the blade at the right angle without the frame, hence the blade was kept in the frame for honing.

The frame-back was made this way intentionally, it is not an adaptation to a faulty razor.

The other type, very popular in Sweden at one time were the opposite to this concept. The razor blade and tang were ground in near or true wedge grinds, and a disposable tube with a slit in the length was slid over what should have been the spine. This however was the 'luxury' model compared to its more basic sibling where the blade and tang appear to have been stamped out of a thin bit of metal, the spine tube being slid on after. These had to honed with the sleeve, which, often being of a softer metal, wore at a faster rate than the blade. However, they were meant to be replaceable, so no worries.

These 'tube-frames' or whatever you want to call them were intentionally made this way - they are not the result of adapting a flawed razor.

Regards,
Neil

Here is a pic of one (Baxxers):-

Attachment 195678

So, not really a frame-back at all.

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Hi, I have realized that I made a fool out of myself! I was totally wrong!
Very sorry about this!
I was so fixated on the form, that is identical then other Swedish razors (with the tube), that I totally ignored the correct angle and thickness of the spine.
I measured the thickness of the spine of my razors, this without the tube of course, and got measurements between 1 and 2 mm for a 15 - 19 mm (5/8' - 6/8' razor)
Comparing the spine with a "normal sized" 1/16' or 1,6 mm rod, this spine is a lot wider then 1-2 mm!
It would be a huge razor (maybe even 10/8' ) when my idea was correct!

Terrible sorry for this!
It still intrigues me that I haven't seen such a full hollow ground razor with this kind of spine

Most respect and most kindest regards