Not meaning to sound like someone unable to make up their mind - but I was just on SRD to see about the Dovo we're talking about in this thread - and saw the Bergisher Loew - and the drooling began. Wow! A nice looker and has those rubber-like grips instead of jimps much like a Filly. What a nice looker! OK, plan B... Lynn you might as well get one honed up... :-)