Hey, so does anyone know these razors?
I wanna say the first is a W&B, the handle says celebrated razor and I think I've seen this before.
The second is I dunno. It has a Cross, GB, then an Anchor. Maybe a "butcher"?
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Hey, so does anyone know these razors?
I wanna say the first is a W&B, the handle says celebrated razor and I think I've seen this before.
The second is I dunno. It has a Cross, GB, then an Anchor. Maybe a "butcher"?
With GB with cross all is clear, but an anchor. I can't find the company which marked razors GB and an anchor. And this is very interesting for me.
The brand on the real mystery is like this:
|........|
|_____|
| + |
|GB|
| + |
| V |
|.../
Sorry for the ASCII art. the top + is the cross, kind of like a german iron cross, and the bottom + and V represents the anchor.
So the American Razor is W&B?
For the GB, cross and anchor, take a look at this blade. Is that the same marking on the tang? http://straightrazorpalace.com/galle...falo-horn.html. I remember seeing another thread about blades with a similar marking recently; I'll see if I can find it.
For the American Razor, I am quite positive that is a W&B. I can read the writing on the tang in the picture. It says Wade & Butcher on the second line. I have seen other W&B's with similar scales, and I've seen other W&B American Razor's with the same etching (though I don't think I've seen any with that frosting).
That is it exactly!
What I was thinking, since there was R. Wade, was there maybe a G. Butcher? I know W&B had an anchor at some point, and the cross looks similar, so maybe the W&B trademark came from hybridizing the two men's former companies. But then again I think Joseph Rogers and Joseph Smith both also had similar crosses.
As I see, on the shank "Manufactured by Wade & Butcher, Sheffield".Quote:
So the American Razor is W&B?
There are some companies with marks GB with cross.
But where is an anchor?
It looks exactly like the GB + thing at the bottomish left, but with an anchor.
holli4pirating, I saw this razor many times. But who made this razor?Quote:
10/8 in Translucent Buffalo Horn
W & B has another anchor, and it has never marked GB.
I have no idea who made that one, I was just pointing to another with the same marking. Maybe Philadelph (was that his?) found some info. Worth a PM at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by manah
I have also seen W&B's with anchors; I've had one, handled another, and one just went on ebay for $2XX (don't remember, I think it was $247), but I have never seen a W&B marked GB and, if I'm not mistaken, the W&B's that did have the anchor all said "W&B" on them. EDIT: I was looking at the wrong auction. Philadelph posted the correct one further down.
Off the top of my head, the only GB I can think of is George Butler, and I believe that he worked in the W&B factory at some point (I believe there was a document about W&B works that showed George Butler). But I'm pretty sure someone (Clavichord?) posted a timeline of the W&B symbols and the anchor was a pretty old one. If I'm not mistaken, George Butler was much more recent.
Edward Gem & Co. (end of XIX c.) also used the +GB trademark, as reported between A.Field's other trademarks. Both companies were active in Birmingham and Sheffield, so I wonder if at least in this case the anchor is used as traditional symbol of Birmingham. Just to complete the list of possible manufacturers of this blade.
I know pricing is taboo, so lets not get exact, I'm not looking for a price anyway. The one on the left (American Razor W&B) costs exactly 4x the one on the right. So in my eyes, if it is serviceable/a good shaver, I'd rather have the one on the right. Scale condition doesn't bother me. So for the blades, considering the one on the right (unkown) is one fourth the price, which would you rather have? Lets say they are $120 or $160 and $30 or $40 for arguments sake. And then throw in a Tally Ho 8/8 for argument's sake, right in the middle price wise.
Here is some more info. Scratched into the handle, which you can't see in the pics, sorry, the seller says there looks like a name and date, and the date is 1881. The blade is about 8/8. Assuming the date is a date of ownership, and that its actually a date, it can be no younger than 1881. does that help?
Edward Gem & Co. = Alfred Field & Co.
clavichord, I posted trademarks Edward Gem & Co. and Alfred Field & Co.
See above.=)
Yes, thanks my friend! I just wanted to add the note about Birmingham.
And you are right, as always.=)
holli4pirating, here topic with W&B anchor.
I would take the GB over the W&B. I'm prefer patina over frosting any day of the week. Sure, W&B's are great shavers, but what Sheffield blade is a bad shaver?Quote:
Originally Posted by khaos
Hmmm.... i was thinking that argument too. I'll see if I can negotiate it cheap enough to buy that and the Tally Ho. It'll be like Christmas! I might have to sell some stuff though....
I didn't see or hear something bad about Sheffield blades.
I would take the GB too. (Because I have a pair of American Razors).:)
http://straightrazorpalace.com/attac...-shop-wb_1.jpg
what is the blade width on the american razors? 6/8? 7/8?
7/8 and 13/16.
Interesting! Looks like Alfred Field made those GB razors, but here's something else: W&B also put an anchor like that on a couple of their blades- old ones. There was just one on eBay with the anchor HERE and I own one. It is pictured below. The anchor must have some kind of link. Maybe W&B produced the razors for Alfred Field? We may never know.
Hm ...Very interesting.
I have conducted small research and for myself, I can explain an anchor + Wade & Butcher.
The company William Rogers Mfg Co has a similar anchor.
http://manah.strazors.com/rogers_1.jpg
This company was in Hartford, Connecticut. Hartford is the birthplace of the electro-plating industry in America, as applied to table ware! Later was opened a factory on Asylum street, under the name of the Rogers Cutlery Company. As we know, in the middle of the 19th century W&B sent large quantities of straight razors, pocket knives and bowie knives to the USA. A New York office was run by Butchers’ business partner Robert Wade and they traded under the name Wade and Butcher. Plus both companies were engaged in release of the silver-plated goods. It is often possible to see them in one list. I do a conclusion of all that William Rogers Mfg Co and Wade & Butcher, probably! co-operated.
http://manah.strazors.com/rogers_2.jpg
To explain an anchor and GB with a cross, I cannot yet.
Thanks for doing the research, Manah. I have a blade that says "Rogers Warranted" on the tang and blonde horn scales. I'd assumed it was an English blade, but maybe its from William Rogers.
...or maybe not
Most likely it is this Rogers.
Niiiiice! Very nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by manah
I found a razor today that has hunter & son on it along with a powder horn trade mark and sheffield but no england any ideas? cant find hunter & son antwhere.
There is no stamp "England", because the razor was made before Madrid Trade Accords (1891).
Michael Hunter & Son, 1884-1892, Talbot Works, Sheffield, England.
His razors are not so rare on the bay and it seems that he worked a lot with military supply (I remember at least 3 razors, during the last month, with military "numbering" on the scales or a "military trademark" etched on the blade).
[EDIT: I'm refering to Hunter & Son].
18thC Straight Razor Hunter & Son Sheffield Horn Scales on eBay.ca (item 120441111753 end time 12-Jul-09 13:15:00 EDT) I see what you mean by being on the bay, but it doesnt say micheal hunter & son, just hunter & son, wonder if he dropped the Micheal to save on stamping cots :)
This razor was made by Michael Hunter & Son(or Hunter & Son, if you want).:)