Found this video while perusing another site.
YouTube - Dovo
At the end, the honemistress is shown doing a HHT on the Dovo. Interesting...
Theres also a TI video on youtube.
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Found this video while perusing another site.
YouTube - Dovo
At the end, the honemistress is shown doing a HHT on the Dovo. Interesting...
Theres also a TI video on youtube.
Impressive report!
Doesn't make their initial non shave readiness any sharper though.
Oh I am so going to regret posting this but here goes....
HHT's are very subjective, they can be used in many ways most of them wrong....
Honestly I can get an HHT to pop off a 1k stone if I have, say one of my hairs, and the right roughness on the blade edge... A wire edge can pop HHT also...
You have to develop a relevant HHT for yourself to make it a valuable tool to assess a shave ready blade.... and even then the shave test is still the only real one that counts..
All that being said unless that lady from Dovo has done that, and then shaved with the blade, all an HHT means is that at least one point on the edge the two sides meet and can cut hair....It DOES NOT mean that the edge is shave ready....
I can't even watch the vid at home, so I will look later to see if this is the same one that is posted all over....
Just estimate the time she needs to hone and strop.
She does that really fast, but there's no way to do that in under ten minutes.
If she's the only hone mistress there (thats how it looks)
it is impossible that she gives all that treatment to each single razor.
The horizontal disc grinding is all they deliver. Everything else maybe sundays and for TV of course.
Yeah, the HHT is over rated IMHO. I get it sometimes after stropping but not always. What I have found is that without exception if a razor will pop hairs off of my forearm without touching or coming near the skin it will give me a superlative shave.
Even that is individual. Randy was at one of the meet ups and had a razor popping hair off of his forearm like rain. Another member immediately tried the same edge on his forearm and it didn't work for him. He has never had a razor that would pop his fine forearm hair. So as Tom A.K.A. jendeindustries likes to say about honing, the answer often is "it depends."
Actually I'd find it pretty normal if they would deliver their razors flat wheel ground AND SAY IT.
They are not that expensive.
You won't get a new car delivered with gas in the tank either.
Their mistake is, to label them as shave ready, while they aren't.
As an end result every newb thinks that Dovos are bad razors - which they actually aren't.
That report just makes things worse for them.
Great video. I know that Dovos used to come shave ready. I've seen them pretty poor in the last decade or so.
I loved watching her strop though. That is just neat.
Gives you an appreciation for the work involved. I'm still impressed that a razor only costs around $100 bucks.
Gentlemen,
Thank you for posting the video. I found it educating. Listening to the narration and the commentaries in German is a lot like going to the opera, where you don't understand the language, but the music and singing knock you on your establishment. Of course, provided you like opera, which I do.
Anyway, I also liked the posts commenting on the video, as well, although I continue to struggle with abbreviated words in many posts on this and other sites.
The English language, gentlemen, is capable of handling complete words, really. Some of us who date from the 19th century think there is nothing wrong with the English language as it exists. But that's perhaps the subject for another post.
Thank you.
Obie
HHT is Hanging Hair Test.
TI is a razor brand.
IMHO is "in my humble opinion"
I don't think most of us would class that as hht. It looks to me as if she uses the top of her thumb nail. Watch the second cut closely.
Looks like king goldstone; wonder what grit is on the horizontal wheel?
Thank you for deciphering the abbreviations. Please forgive me, however, for continuing to prefer complete words in my beloved English language.
Thank you also for the wisdom you impart on the wonderful world of straight razor shaving. You have my deepest respect as teachers and gentlemen.
Regards,
Obie
Kevin,Quote:
Originally Posted by kevint
I tried the hht with two razors just now. One that had my best edge and one that some might consider shave ready but many here who know better would not. My best edge popped a hair that was sticking out a few mm past my thumb and pointer finger with ease and also in the manner the woman in the video did it with hair next to thumb nail. That was my control. Tried it with a blade that shaved but needs work. As much as I tried I could not make it pop in former method but when placed in front of the thumb nail it sprung off the blade like a Jack in the Box. Good observation you made.
At around 7:13 into the video, it shows the pivot pins being put on. Did anyone notice he was using two washers per side? Also he must have a shearing blade to cut off excess pin while still in the jig or their something in the washer system that lops off pin excess?
Mike
Yes, the fellow was definitely using two washers on the razor pin. I have seen the same on some of the razors I have taken apart for restoration. Sometimes, the washers that the comapanies have stamped out for themselves are of such thin metal that they have to compensate by using two together so that the joint has sufficient strength. If you have lots of the little washers in stock it is no problem whatsoever. ;)
- Ignatz
Gillette, Schick et al put shave-ready edges on steel, by the mile, with no human hands involved for a pittance. I would think DOVO could do the same if they wanted to.
It was great to see how they made my Dovo Special. Its a great blade for the price. In fact, seeing all that goes into it, they all the Dovo's are priced well in the market.
Pabster
That was an interesting video. I would have thought that grinding process would have come before the final temper, I'd have thought grinding it like that with no water would ruin the temper.
I agree that really wasn't a HHT. For one thing, that was one really thick black "hair" that was used. And as was pointed out, it wasn't hanging, and was cut really close to the place where it was being held. My understanding of the HHT is the cut has to be about a half inch or more from the point where its being gripped horizontally. You're pretty much supposed to use the weight of the hair to cut, the test in the video used the tension of the hair being gripped closely with no give and forced against the edge.
Very interesting watching the process. Wish I spoke German.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obie
You are 109+ years old?!?
The kind of HHT the woman performs called HHT-0 in the wiki article that describes how to put the HHT to use as a method to probe for progress during honing.
Here's a link to the article:
Hanging Hair Test, from trick to probing method - Straight Razor Place Wiki
But then they'll have to charge you $10 every few weeks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by shuredgefan
I don't think the analogy is transferable.
They should use my hair...you could poke a gnats eye out with it, its so thin.
Mac