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I have a 5/8 hollow ground Thiers Issard that I am trying to sell for a friend. Unfortunately I do not have the documentation stating that the razor is Thiers Issard? Will I still be able to get a good price without the papers. Is the razor itself recognizable as Thiers Issard and if so what are the key markers?
Thanks
Sho91
well Glen has the same Eagle razor with worked back and spanish point.
So as far as gold wash and scale shape that is TI.
I can't remember 100% but the pouch also should say Tiers Issard, at least my two do.If you can find the same razor on some online store then you have the proof.
Uneven scales, off center pinning job....It's a TI alright!!
LMFAO Oh yeah that's a TI besides the gold wash and the Eagle print the scales are a dead give away just look how off center the pivot pin is drilled :rant:
LOL yeppers Erick we were thinking alike my friend and typing at the same time
I am fairly new to the straight razor scene, but what does "TI" mean?
Thiers Isard = TIQuote:
Originally Posted by sho91
Thanks for the lesson. I own two DOVO razors myself, but I do see TI's in the classicshaving.com site. Are these razors any good? And if so what would be a good asking price?
Thanks
Sho91
They are great blades, but as everyone has said, the scales are absolute trash. A good asking price would be... free given to me. We don't really do valuing here, but if it is in great shape, go about 1/4 or 1/3 or even 2/5 less than the price of an equally pretty new TI.
I have had 3 TIs and I liked them all as shavers. Their QC needs some improvement, but overall they are fairly highly regarded. I haven't owned that exact model, but I would suspect it's a fine razor. As far as pricing is concerned, TI's run in the 150-300 range new.
Gentlemen,
In my state as a straight razor pilgrim, I agree with all about the Thiers-Issard scales inferiority complex. The contrast between the quality of the blade and the scales is puzzling. I don't quite understand it. There are some exceptions, of course, and I have two of those exceptions in my small collection of razors. Still, it is generally agreed that somebody at Thiers-Issard loves to do the fandango on the scales.
Regards,
Obie
Maybe it is their trademark to do unique razors - no two alike. :)
I dunno. Do they make the scales/blanks still in France? However, it is quite ... uncaring ... that such things leave TI - surely somebody must have noticed something.
Someone did notice. All of us :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ursus
I can't imagine that all the people working at/for TI shave with these razors, so it probably doesn't really make a difference to them.
Regarding the Thiers-Issard scales, I politely disagree.
What you are looking at are cow horn scales and they are very nice. However, I do have to admit that the off-center pinning at the rear is a disappointment. My understanding is that their quality in this respect has improved recently, but I have absolutely no way to tell if the blade is of recent manufacture or from some years back.
The only possible clue would be in the leather pouch. I can state that this pouch form is no longer made, the current ones have a leather tongue that folds down over the razor from the top and is secured under a loop of leather sewn crosswise across the pouch.
Beyond that, the blade appears to be one of the 'historic' blades decorated with TI's 'Eagle' design. It should perform very well.
I have some additional information to add to this discussion. Remarkably, my contact at TI telephoned me to let me know that he had seen this thread and wanted to acquaint me with the facts of this particular razor.
This series of 'historic' blades that TI sold were blanks which were produced by another razor producing company, the rights and materials of which were acquired by TI when said company ceased doing business.
My contact tells me that my surmise concerning the form of the leather pouch is completely correct and that this is an older historic blade.
The blade blank in question was from a limited amount of stock that had a forged-in bolster on the tang to allow for application of the riveted-on cheek pieces. Unfortunately, some of those blanks also had a defect in that they were somewhat warped. The factory had a choice: either toss out the slightly warped blanks (pure loss for both the factory as well as the straight razor community) or else compensate for the warp by making adjustments in how the blade was pinned into the scales. The company opted for the second approach, drilling the rear pin hole at an angle (intentionally) to allow for the bend of the slightly warped blade... which explains why the hinge pin looks wrong to us.
Furthermore, I understand that this particular forging was of very high quality and performs well. Do note that the stocks of the blade blank in question have been used up. There will be no more produced.
In short: this is absolutely a Thiers-Issard razor. It appears to be in excellent condition and it is worth a fair price.
My dear Ignatz,
Thank you for this most illuminating historical information. Well done, sir.
Regards,
Obie
Thanks. I guess that explains the unusual pinning. Well done clearing it out, mate
Very impressive. My hat is off to you sir.
IGNATZ,
Thanks for the great information. I had no idea that this particular blade was so special.
V/R,
sho91