Also, Im going to hone and strop my first razor tonight, I just got done getting the rust off of it, its really beat up, hence why I am starting with it, I am using a very fine smooth stone used for knives, and a strop with two different coarsenesses...is it possible I can pull of(with enough patience) getting a razor shave ready this way? and are there any tutorials on honing and stropping on the site?