My new old Whipped Dog Catteraugus. Any thoughts?

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Im new to straights, and just followed advice here and ordered my first from whipped dog. Its a Catteraugus. He said its never been honed before he honed it for me, and Im inclined to trust him, as he was super nice, and has alot of praise here onAttachment 90211 Attachment 90209Attachment 90210SRP.The heel looks like its been honed down some before, but I'm so new to this I could be wrong. Im gonna give it a go, and most likely switch to something newer. Something about about this gives me the heebie jeebies. Maybe its just that it and the coated balsa came wrapped in the obituary section of the Newspaper..Whats with that? Apparently, when I was researching whipped dog before I bought from him, someone else mentioned that theirs came in the obituary section as well. I thought it was just coincidence, but now mine too?Creeeeepy! Like something out of a Stephen King novel. Im almost afraid to shave with it...

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I love it but then i love the oldies ,im sure it will be a great shaver just take your time and enjoy it.

Nice razor

Hey, you forgot to delete the "B&" (next to 3rd image in your OP) when you changed your post to read "here on SRP" from the copy of your thread on B&B

Go on and shave with it, it looks like it has lots of shaving love to give you :)

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Nice razor

Hey, you forgot to delete the "B&" (next to 3rd image in your OP) when you changed your post to read "here on SRP" from the copy of your thread on B&B

Go on and shave with it, it looks like it has lots of shaving love to give you :)

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Lol.. Thanks.Just figured this is more the appropriate place for straights..

My only thought is: Someday I'll have a Catteraugus SR. Congrats!

Maybe I'm missing something but what are those scratches at the very edge of the razor?

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Maybe I'm missing something but what are those scratches at the very edge of the razor?

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I have no idea. Its my first straight, so that's why I'm posting here. Hoping I did ok. I never really buy anything used.

It's a nice looking razor and should provide a lifetime of good shaves.

I suspect the scratches are from a piece of foreign particulate on one of the low grit stones during honing... I know Larry sometimes uses a DMT 325 to set bevels. It's possible that some free diamonds caused those scratches.

looks pretty cool...I would like to polish it up a bit though lol...then again, its not mine lol

Any idea about how old this thing is?

I'd guess late 1800's to very early 1900's (teens) based on the design of the scales. That's a beautiful razor, and if you received that as part of a "sight unseen" razor deal, I'd say you got a score. Part of the fun of shaving in an "old-timey" fashion is the chance to use real "old-timey" razors. Looks like a great shaver to me. I love the smiling blade and the fancy old west style pattern on the scales. As far as sending razors packed in the obit section, well, probably not the best marketing practice while sending razors to potentially wary first time users, but I got a hell of a laugh out of it.:)

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I'd guess late 1800's to very early 1900's (teens) based on the design of the scales. That's a beautiful razor, and if you received that as part of a "sight unseen" razor deal, I'd say you got a score. Part of the fun of shaving in an "old-timey" fashion is the chance to use real "old-timey" razors. Looks like a great shaver to me. I love the smiling blade and the fancy old west style pattern on the scales. As far as sending razors packed in the obit section, well, probably not the best marketing practice while sending razors to potentially wary first time users, but I got a hell of a laugh out of it.:)

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What I don't get is, I thought the smile comes from uneven honing? I'm completely new at this so I really don't know..He said to me that the razor was never honed before he honed it to send it to me? Don't get me wrong ,He was a super gentleman, and helped me allot. Even discounted the razor, because he sold one that I initially wanted. There mustve been some mistake, I can't see 100 year old razor never being honed before...

That being said, I can't believe this thing is that old!! 1800's? Really?And still usable..Im that much happier I chose this over a new one...!

Thank You Whipped Dog!

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As far as sending razors packed in the obit section, well, probably not the best marketing practice while sending razors to potentially wary first time users, but I got a hell of a laugh out of it.:)

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Cracked me up to Joe!!! Talk about a portent of evil, boowaahhhaaahahah!! :)

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I really like razors with a smile, and it's possible that it was never honed before, I've received old razors with a smile that haven't been honed. Great start!

I don't know about the razor never been honed before. The honing flats on the spine are very small, but still slightly uneven and the bevel is very small, but I just dislike when people just market up without any evidence whatsoever. Never honed razor means you were the one who opened the sealed package from the factory (and I have had the fortune to do that on a number of old razors, some from the late 1800s).
This one has severe pitting on the blade (most likely makes no difference to the edge and is just cosmetic) and kink at the transition at the heel just looks odd. May be factory made, but from all the vintage razors that I've seen the rule is that the curves and the transitions are smooth.

Finally I wouldn't even base production estimate on those scales. They have obviously been repinned, so who knows if they are the original ones.

Cattaragus cutlery was a family owned business that didn't move or change hands for about 100 years, they simply closed in 1960s when they couldn't compete anymore. May be you can find a catalogue with that blade and then you can have a narrower estimate for the period, but this is a very hollow ground razor with pronounced humped shank so the first part of the 20th century would be when this style is most appropriate.

The curvature of the edge should have nothing to do with honing abuse and be there by design. It is very common with the vintage razors, especially when there was a lot of competition. It's fairly harder to do, so later on it seems to have disappeared and nowadays pretty much all razors are stamped with straight spines and ground with straight edges

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I really like razors with a smile, and it's possible that it was never honed before, I've received old razors with a smile that haven't been honed. Great start!

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Thank You,

Cattaruagus is one of the Case brothers family of razors, along with Kinfolks and George Korn, they are best known for the Green Lizards and Seneca line of razors...

From the lines and tail of the razor it is most likely ca 1920's

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I don't know about the razor never been honed before. The honing flats on the spine are very small, but still slightly uneven and the bevel is very small, but I just dislike when people just market up without any evidence whatsoever. Never honed razor means you were the one who opened the sealed package from the factory (and I have had the fortune to do that on a number of old razors, some from the late 1800s).
This one has severe pitting on the blade (most likely makes no difference to the edge and is just cosmetic) and kink at the transition at the heel just looks odd. May be factory made, but from all the vintage razors that I've seen the rule is that the curves and the transitions are smooth.

Finally I wouldn't even base production estimate on those scales. They have obviously been repinned, so who knows if they are the original ones.

Cattaragus cutlery was a family owned business that didn't move or change hands for about 100 years, they simply closed in 1960s when they couldn't compete anymore. May be you can find a catalogue with that blade and then you can have a narrower estimate for the period, but this is a very hollow ground razor with pronounced humped shank so the first part of the 20th century would be when this style is most appropriate.

The curvature of the edge should have nothing to do with honing abuse and be there by design. It is very common with the vintage razors, especially when there was a lot of competition. It's fairly harder to do, so later on it seems to have disappeared and nowadays pretty much all razors are stamped with straight spines and ground with straight edges

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Wow, that's a lot of technical razor lingo for an amateur, but the heel is what struck me odd..I guess it doesn't really matter much. I'm only going to learn with it, and probably buy many more..do you have any reccomendations where I can buy an antique razor that's in mint original shape?

Thank you for all your help. Very, very thorough information!

Yeah Glen, but the other way around, Case split from Cattaragus, I think in 1925 or so.

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do you have any reccomendations where I can buy an antique razor that's in mint original shape?

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Well, for 'mint' you can ask the collectors, but you'll pay collectors prices, and you'll spend most of its value at the moment you open the box. You can sometimes get vintage razors in excellent original condition that look as good or better than the current production from people like us, especially the ones who have been at this for a number of years. Look in the classifieds or PM some people who seem to have good stuff like that. You may have to pay comparable price to buying a new razor or more, but to me it's always been well worth it. Restoring an old abused razor is possible as you can see in the restoration section and you can get good results, but I've never seen anyone who has come close to factory condition. May be it's just the nature of the razor factories using a real professional equipment.
You should peruse the razor database in the library/wiki, there are a number of razors in original condition or very close to it.

Thank You Gugi.

Hi every one, it's Beer week in SF, So... I've had a few barley wines.
It looks great, I've purchased two razors from Larry, and one of them
is one of my favorite razors "a W&B barber notch 6/8 for $35, that's
not to dismiss my other razor I purchased from him for $25.
One of my other other favorites is a 6/8 from Holli, for $30, that is not to be dismissed from the other razors I have
purchased from other members at staightrazor forum