What are the top English Straight Razor Manufacturers?

I'm wanting to buy a vintage English razor (probably many) but there are just so many maker's out there. Some of the ones I've been looking at are:
KROPP
CLEMENTS
MAPPIN & WEBB CO
MARSHES & SHEPHERD
JOSEPH RODGERS & SONS
FREDERICK REYNOLDS
TAYLOR WITNESS
JOHN HEIFFOR
GEORGE WOSTENHOLM & SON
JOHN WRAGG
WADE & BUTCHER
GEORGE BUTLER & CO

What are the top 5? I suppose these are mostly Sheffield steel which was renound for good quality. Are there any really sought after rarer manufacturers I should be adding to the list? What are the scarcist and and does rarity mean much higher price?

Thus is like asking a group if people what their favorite color is. I'm sure you'll get a lot of different opinions. Personally, I'm partial to J Wostenholm EBRO razors.

I dont see a less then stellar manufacturer in the bunch. Pick 5 randomly and there you have it.

Also there are the F Fenney/CT Bingham Tally Ho razors. Sought after and great shavers.

Get a good case of RAD and I can see you owning a least one,from every maker. Thats how we roll on this site !!!

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Originally Posted by postmastergeneral

What are the top 5?

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ALL of them plus 20 or thirty more. :rock:

Yes, possibly like asking for a favourite colour. Maybe it would be easier to ask which to avoid, and I take it none of the above list? What is the holy grail of straight razors, or are most equally good in their own different ways?

+1 for both the J Wostenholm EBRO and the Fenney/Bingham Tally Ho.

Another that comes to mind (possibly) is W Greaves & Sons. I say possibly because I haven't finished restoring mine yet and so can't speak from experience, but I've heard good things.

I have a thing for vintage Sheffield blades too, and have yet to find one that wasn't a great shaver. Happy hunting!

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Originally Posted by Cangooner

+1 for both the J Wostenholm EBRO and the Fenney/Bingham Tally Ho.

Another that comes to mind (possibly) is W Greaves & Sons. I say possibly because I haven't finished restoring mine yet and so can't speak from experience, but I've heard good things.

I have a thing for vintage Sheffield blades too, and have yet to find one that wasn't a great shaver. Happy hunting!

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Thanks Cangooner, that is really helpful. I've heard a lot of good things about J Wostenholm. I know I'll end up with a whole bunch of them, I know what I'm like lol.

Not rare, but also interesting and well-known Sheffield makers:
George Johnson
Brookes & Crookes
Bengall, Thomas Radley Cadman
William Greaves & Sons
Thomas Turner & Co.
Thomas Turner
John & William Ragg
Joseph Allen & Sons
Joseph Elliot & Sons
John Sellers

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Originally Posted by manah

Not rare, but also interesting and well-known Sheffield makers:
George Johnson
Brookes & Crookes
Bengall, Thomas Radley Cadman
William Greaves & Sons
Thomas Turner & Co.
Thomas Turner
John & William Ragg
Joseph Allen & Sons
Joseph Elliot & Sons
John Sellers

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Thanks Manah, you're a wealth of information. I really appreciate this thanks.

Here's a few more. LOL

You'll see there are makers beside the Sheffield gang listed. ;)

Clasp Knife and Razor Manufacturers

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CLASP KNIFE &/OR RAZOR MANUFACTURERS
J.M. Abbot & Co (c1860), Welchville, Maine
Levi Abbot (c1860), Welchville, Maine
Joseph A. Adams (c1860), 283 Pearl St, New York, NY
G(crown)R Allison (c1820-1830)
American Knife Company (c1849-1875), Plymouth Hollow, Conn
American Shear & Knife Company (c1853-1914), Hotchkissville, Conn
Ames Cutlery Company (c1829-1935), Lowell, Mass from 1791-1829, Chicopee Falls, Mass from 1829-1935
Andrew & Tredway DuBuque (c1853-1873), Chicago “Britnal, Terry and Beldon” on blade
J.H. Andrews & Co Ltd Sheffield (c1860), Toldeo Works, Sheffield
T. Ascher Sheffield (c1845)
William Atkins (c1848-1913), Sheffield
Trade Mark(bear)Milton Works (c1845)
Atkinson Bros (c1845), Sheffield
Joseph Badger & Sons (c1860-61), New Haven, Conn
Baker & Hamilton (c1854-1918)
Barlow(fish hook & backward N above name) (c1860-1881), Sheffield, blade marked B4*ANY F. WARD CO CUTLERY SHEFFIELD
James Barlow & Son Sheffield (c1828-1856)
Samuel Barlow (c1837), Sheffield
Geo. Barnsley & Sons (c1839-1938), Sheffield
Barton & Scofield (c1860), 18 & 20 Cliff St, New York, NY with factory in Sheffield
J.E. Basset & Co (c1747-1897), New Haven
W.B. Belknap (c1840-1860)
W.B. Belknap & Co (c1860-1880)
(fox) C.T. Bingham, late F. Fenney ‘Tally Ho’ (c1860), 1 Platt and 229 Pearl Streets, New York, NY
W. Bingham Co (c1841-1948), Cleveland
Birmingham Knife Co (c1849), Birmingham/Derby, Conn
William Bishop (c1850-51), 40 Congress St, Boston
Bolles & Hastings (c1841), 231 Main St, Hartford
Bradford Boston (c1845-1856), 142 Washington St, Boston
Bradford & Co Boston (c1856-1867), Boston
L. Bradley & Co Naugatuck (c1844-1896), Salem/Naugatuck and Middlebury, Conn
John Brammall (c1770-1880)
Brammell Storrs (c1778-1880), Sheffield, trademark ‘Joppa’
John Breed & Co (c1851), Norwich, Conn, importer
Brittain Wilkinson & Brownell Sheffield (c1780-1840), Sheffield, trademark ‘France’
(bell) Brookes & Crookes Makers Sheffield (c1859-1947)
Abram Brooksbank Sheffield (c1849-1864), cannon and defiance on back of tang
Abram Brooksbank Sheffield England (c1849-1864), Malinda Works Sheffield on tang
J. Brown W(crown)R (c1830-1837)
W(crown) R J.W. Brown & Co Columbia Work Sheffield (c1830-1837)
Brown & Kirby (c1851), 76 Chapel St, New Haven, Conn
Buck Bros (c1853-1927), Worchester, Mass
R. Bunting & Sons Cast Steel Cutlery Superior Temper (c1837-1864)
A. Burkinshaw Pain (c1856-1881)
A. Burkinshaw Pepperell (c1856-1920)
Butcher, Brown & Butcher (c1827-1830), changed name from Wade & Butcher in 1827, in 1830 was William & Samuel Butcher
W(crown)R Butcher Sheffield (c1830-1837)
W.S. Butcher Sheffield/Wade & Butcher (c1830-at least as late as1986), Sheffield
John Cartwright Pittsburgh PA (c1847-1858)
Cartwright & Young Pittsburgh (c1858-1860)
Joseph Church (c1838), 206 Main St, Hartford, Conn
Clark & Hall Cast Steel (c1797-1823)
Clark & Hall Warranted (c1797-1823)
Clark & Scofield (c1860) 5 and 7 Platt St, New York, NY
W. Clauberg Solingen Prussia (c1847-1875)
Franklin W. Coburn (c1858-1901), New Durham, New Hampshire
S(crossed pipes) Colley & Co Sheffield (c1834-1844)
Collins Co (c1826-1966), Collinsville, Conn
W(crown)R C. Congreaves patent American razor made from Naylor & Co’s celebrated steel (c1830-1837)
C. Congreaves W(crown)R (c1825-1865), Sheffield
James Crawshaw (c1826), successor to Nowill & Kippax
Johnathan Crookes & Son (c1827-at least 1986)
Septimus Crookes (c1860), 28 Cliff St, New York, NY, agent for Rogers & Sons, Sheffield
Cutter (c1850-1944), T. Ellin & Co
*D* Silver Steel (c1830-1837)
A. Davy & Sons/A. Davy’s Exchange Works (c1836-1870)
G. Deakin Sheffield (c1847-1870), 48 Eyre St, Sheffield
N. & R. Dodge (c1848-1860), 68 West St, Sheffield
G(crown)R Dudgeon (c1820-1830)
Dunham, Carrigan & Hayden Co (1849-1948), San Francisco, large wholesale house
G(crown)Edwards (c1830-1837)
Thomas Ellin & Co Vulcan Steel (c1850-1944)
T. Ellin & Co (c1850-1944), Sylvester Works, Arundel St, Sheffield
Thomas Richardson Ellin (c1860-1928), Footprint Works, Sheffield
Joseph Elliot & Sons Cutlers Sheffield (c1795-at least as late as1986)
Joseph Elliot Fine India Steel (c1795- at least as late as1986)
Joseph Elliot & Son Sheffield (c1795- at least as late as1986)
Ellis Brothers & Co (c1860), 217 Pearl St, New York, NY
Elsassische Werezeug Fabrik (c1858-1915)
Empire Knife Co Winsted Conn (c1856-1930)
Empire Razor Winstead Conn (c1856-1880)
Eton (c1830-1837), W(crown)R Rogerson on blade
Eyre Ward & Co Sheafworks Sheffield (c1852-1869)
John Farr (c1821-1852), Sheffield
F. Fenney Sheffield Warranted/‘Tally Ho’ F. Fenney Sheffield Warranted/Friedrich Fenney (c1824-1852)
J. Fielding Sheffield (c1848-1867)
Les Fils de Puegot France (c1847-1883), located in Valestigney
H. Fininley (c1850-1851), 18 School St, Boston
French Bird Co (c1849)
W. Frisbee (c1792-1807), London
W(crown)R S. Frost Shear Steel (c1830-1837)
F.W.C. (c1858-1901), F. W. Coburn
Gilbert & Co (c1841), 199 Main St, Hartford, Conn
W. Greaves Warranted/W. Greaves/Fame W. Greaves/Greaves’s Patent (c1799-1816)
William Greaves Sheffield (c1780-1816)
Manufactured by W. Greaves & Sons Sheaf Works/W. Graves & Sons (c1816-1870)
W. Greaves & Sons Cast Steel Warranted Sheaf Works/W. Greaves & Sons Sheaf Works (c1816-1870)
Joseph C. Grubb & Co (c1863), 236 Market St, Philadelphia, importers
Hatfields Ltd (c1861-1922), Helca Works, Sheffield
I. Hall (c1795-1830), Jonathan Hall, Sheffield
Samuel Hancock & Sons (c1836-1909), Sheffield
Thomas Hanover (c1860), Bangor, Maine
(heart eagle heart) Harrington Cutlery Co (c1819 until at least as late as 1986)
Harrison Bros & Howson Sheffield Cutlers to her Majesty 45 Norfolk St (c1853-1919), Sheffield
J.T. Hart & Co Kensington (c1851), Conn
R. Hartkopf (c1855-1957), Solingen
Charles Hasmer (c1828), Main St, Hartford
Hatch & Merrill (c1860), Charlestown, Mass
Alexander Haugh (c1856-1860) 2 Mechanics’ B St, New Haven, Conn
Haugh & Frisbee (c1857-1858), New Haven, Conn
Hawcroft & Pearson (c1837-1844), Sheffield
John Heiffor 3 Paradise Square Sheffield (c1861)
J. A. Henkels (c1731-present)
Silas Hoadley (c1849), Plymouth, Conn
Holley & Co Salisbury (c1844-1846)
Holley & Co Lakeville (c1846-1854)
Holley Mfg Co Lakeville (c1854-1930s)
Hudson & Putnam (c1838), 209 Main St, Hartford, Conn
Jonathon Hunt Patent (c1829-1837)
N. Hunt & Co (c1850-1851), 128 Washington St, Boston
G. Ibberson (c1700-until at least as late as 1986)
Ibbotson Peace Co (c1847-1864), 84 Russell St, Sheffield
Iver Johnson Co (founded 1840)
James Johnson Silver Steel (c1818-1853)
James Johnson Superior Silver Steel (c1818-1853)
Thomas B. Johnson (c.1860), Portsmouth, New Hampshire
Hy. Kaufmann (c1856-as late as 1986), Solingen
John Kay (c1856-1858), New Haven, Conn
Kennedy & Way (c1838), 197 Main St, Hartford, Conn
Kingman & Hassam (c1855-1860), 128 & 144 Washington St, Boston, by 1864 was called Hassam Bros
Robert Klaas (c1834 to at least as late as 1986)
Krusius Cutlery (c1856-1983), Solingen
Adolph W. Kummerlen (c1860), Bridgeport, Conn
L&G/Lamson & Goodnow Co (c1853-at least as late as 1986)
Lamson Goodnow & Co Army Knife (c1860-1865), Mass, knife & fork combination
J. Lee Medway Mass (c1820-1833)
Chas. S. Little (c1860), 200 Broadway, New York, NY
C & X Lockwood Bros (c1849-1970), Sheffield
H.G. Long & Co (c1846-at least as late as 1986), Sheffield
Joseph Mappin & Bros (c1848-1853), Sheffield
Mappin, Webb & Co (c1835-1964)
G. S. Mark (c1860), Portland, Maine
W&T Marsh W(crown)R (c1830-1837)
Marsh Bros Celebrated Cutlery (c1860-1947), Sheffield, with offices in New York, NY in 1860
V(crown)R Marshes & Shepherd Pond Works Sheffield (c1837-1850)
J. Martin Albany/James Martin (c1832-1874)
Mazeppa (c1847-1909), Sheffield
James T. Mix (c1851), 59 & 61 State St, New Haven, Conn
John Mix (c1810-1830s), Yalesville, Conn, contractor to government for bayonets and small arms
B. H. Morse (c1857-1858), Waterbury, Conn
J.A. Mousell (c1860), 48 Fulton, Newy York, NY
J. Murphy (c1849-1850), 10 Dock St, Boston, by 1855 firm was named J&R Murphy
Naylor & Sanderson/N & S Patent (c1810-1830)
John A. Newbold (c1860), 13 Gold St, New York, NY
New England Cutlery Co (c1852-1860), New Haven then Wallingford, Conn
New York Knife Co, Matteawan (c1852-1856)
New York Knife Co, Walden (c1856-1931), New York
W(crown)R WM. Nicholson (c1830-37)
Nicholson & Shield (c1859), 169 Main St, Hartford, Conn
Samuel Norris Sheffield (c1795-1815), used trademark ‘*P. Cast Steel’
Northfield Knife Co. Conn (c1858-1919)
W(crown)R Oates Refined Steel (c1830-1837)
C.S. Osborne & Co (c1826-1883), Newark, made mostly leather working tools
Saml. Osborne & Co (c1841-1928), Sheffield
Parkin Acier Fondu (c1785-1800), Staniforth Parkin & Co
W(crown)R Parkin’s Patent S. Ager’s Tristram India Steel (c1830-1837)
W.K. & C. Peace (c1835-1947), Sheffield
David Peeler (c1850-1851), Montage, Mass
H.M. Phelps (c1857-1858), Waterbury, Conn
Charles Pickslay & Co. Cutlers to the Royal Family Royal York Works Sheffield (c1832-1843)
Puma (c1769-at least as late as 1986), Pumawerk, Solingen
Rawling & Jepson (c1860-1861), 113 Olive St, New Haven, Conn
Rawson Brothers Sheffield (c1860), Carver St, Sheffield
J. Rawson & Sons Birmingham (c1846-1853), Birmingham, Conn, in 1853 moved to New Haven
Rawson New Haven/J. Rawson & Sons (c1853-1883)
P.A. Reuss (c1861-1909), Mazeppa Works, Sheffield
Rhodes & Champion (c1814-1826)
Rice & Lathrup (c1860), West Winsted, Conn
Rice, Lathrup & Clary (c1856), West Winsted, Conn
Stephen Richard Co (c1862-1908), Southbridge, Mass, importers and manufacturers
H. Ridgeway Sunderland (c1844-1871)
G(crown)R Rodgers Cutlers to His Majesty (c1820-1830)
W(crown)R James Rodgers Superior Cutlery (c1830-1837)
V(crown)R Joseph Rodgers & Sons Cutlers to their Majesties (c1837-1901), 6 Norfolk St, star and cross on back of tang
V(crown)R Rodgers Cutlers to Her Majesty Patent (c1837-1901), star and cross on back of tang
V(crown)R Joseph Rodgers & Sons Cutlers to Her Majesty Patent (c1837-1901), star and cross on back of tang
V(crown)R Rodgers Cutlers to Her Majesty Patent No. 6 Norfolk St (c1837-1901), star and cross on back of tang
W. Rodgers Celebrated (c1830-1890)
William Rodgers Sheffield (c1830-at least as late as 1986)
W(crown)R Rogerson (c1830-1837), Eton on tang
John Rowe & Co (c1860), 269 Pearl St, New York, NY
Ruff & Lautz (c1860), 9 Court Ave, Boston
Amos Sanborn (c1860), Lowell, Mass
Sanderson Bros & Newbould Ltd (c1860-1933), Newhall Steel Works, Sheffield
Geo. S. Sanford (c1855), 2 Exchange Place. Bridgeport, Conn
J.M. Schmid & Co. (c1857-1964)
John Scotti Warranted Lafayette (c1824)
O.D. Seymour (c1851), 36 Pearl St, Hartford, Conn
Shelburne Falls Cutlery (c1851-1860), founded in 1837 as Lamson & Goodnow, then to Lamson & Goodnow Manufacturing in 1853
C.R. Shelton (c1849-1851) Birmingham, Conn and Westville, Conn
Singleton & Priestman Sheffield England (c1861)
H.M. Slater Ltd (c1853 to present), Sheffield
John Smith (c1856), Lowell, Mass
Smith Bros (c1860-1910), in 1860 at 49 Hawley St, 1864 at 19 Hawley St
W. & E.H. Smith (c1850-1851), Dalton, Mass
Smith & Hopkins Naugatuck (c1848-1850)
Smith & McMaster (c1860), 25 Cliff St, New York, NY
J.P. Snow & Co Chigago Ill (c1861), offices in Chicago, Ill and Hartford, Conn
Southern & Richardson (c1846-1961), Sheffield
South River Cut. Co. Conway Mass. (c1851-1856)
Stacey Bros (c1847-1920), Sheffield
Wm. Thomas Staniforth (c1852-1906), Sheffield
Steer & Webster Makers Sheffield/ Steer & Webster Sheffield (c1833-1867), Castle Hill, Sheffield
R.S. Stenton (c1860), 1 Platt St and 229 Pearl St, New York, NY, agents for C.T. Bingham of Sheffield
Paul Storr London (c1792-1844)
Swain Cutlery Bronxville, N.Y. (c1858-1898)
Henry Taylor (c1862-1927), Sheffield
Thompson & Barber (c1826)
Thompson & Gascoinage (c1852-1856)
George Tiemann & Co (c1826-1887), 107 Park Row, New York, NY
W(crown)R Tillotson Sheffield (c1830-1837), ‘Far West Hunting Knife’ on blade
Torrey Razor Co. (c1858-1963), Worcester, Mass, razor importers from England and Sweden until 1880
L.D. Towne (c1850-1851), Worcester, Mass
Trade(bear)Mark Milton Works (c1845), Sheffield
Andrew & Tredway (c1853-1873)
M. Trustworthy (c1860-1964)
3/T Trade Mark (c1811-1952), E.K. Tryon Co, Philadelphia on back of tang
V(crown)R Thomas Turner & Co Sheffield/Encore T. Turner Best Steel/Turner & Co Cutlers to Her Majesty (c1834-1901), Sheffield
Thomas Turner & Sons (c1860), 25 Cliff St, New York, NY
Turton Bros & Matthews Ltd (c1860-1914), Steel, File & Spring Works, Sheffield
W.A. Tyzack Sheffield (c1850-1953), Stella Works, Sheffield
W. Tyzack Sons & Turner Ltd (c1861-at least as late as 1986), Sheffield
Union Knife Co Naugatuck (c1851-1885)
United Knife Co (c1860), Litchfield, Conn
Unwin & Rodgers Sheffield (c1848-1867)
Van Vakt & Naylor W(crown)R (c1830-1837)
J. Veall (c1836-1882), Sheffield, trademark ‘ Taylor’s eye witness’
Venture H.M. Slater (c1853 to at lease as late as 1986)
Vulcan Cutlery (c1846-1944)
Wade/R. Wade (c1810-1818), became Wade & Butcher in 1818
Wade, Wingfield and Rowbothham Sheffield (c1825-1858), No 82 Trenter St. Sheffield, crown and Harps on back of tang, small blade marked Wade, Wingfield & Rowbotham Sheffield
Wade & Butcher Sheffield (B) arrow & cross/Wade & Butcher Sheffield (c1818-at least as late as 1986)
(anchor) Wade & Butcher (c1818-1890)
Wade & Butcher Sheffield the Celebrated Fine India Razor (c1818-at least as late as 1986)
Wade & Butcher for Barber’s Use (c1818-1890)
Wade & Butcher (B) arrow & cross (c1818-1890)
J. Walters & Co Globe Works Sheffield (c1846-182)
F. Ward & Co Sheffield (c1857-1881)
F. Ward & Co Cutlery Sheffield (c1856-1881)
S & C Wardlow Sheffield (c1855-1920)
G(crown)R Warner (c1820-1830)
J.M. Warren & Co (c1860), 241 and 243 River Troy, New York
W’ville (c1847-1865), Waterville Mfg Co
G.M. Way & Co Hartford/George M. Way & Co (c1859) 342 Main St, Hartford, Conn
A. Weddell (c1850-1851), 15 Hawley St, Boston
Wester & Butz (c1852-1966), Solingen
Wilkinson (c1772-as late as 1986), Sheffield
H. Wilkenson (c1843), 64 and 66 ½ Front St, Hartford, Conn
W. Wilkenson & Sons Ltd (c1777-1917), Sheffield
I. Wilson (c1750-1952), Sheffield
Winchester & Johnson (c1839), 230 Main St, Hartford, Conn
J. Wiss & Sons (c1848 to as late as 1986), Newark
C.F. Wolferlitz Co (c1862-1873)
G. Woodhead Sheffield England (c1850-1876), 36 Howard St, Sheffield
George Wostenholm W(crown)Celebrated Improved Cutlery (c1832-1837), Rockingham Works, Sheffield
I*XL George Wostenholm & Son Celebrated Improved Cutlery Rockingham Works Sheffield (c1837-1848)
G. Wostenholm & Sons Washington Works (c1848-1890), Sheffield
J. Wostenholm & Co (c1848-1854)
J. Wostenholm & Sons (maltese cross) EBRO (maltese cross) (c1854-1867), Leicester St, Sheffield
M. S. Young & Co (c1843-1885), Allentown

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Ha! That list could drive a man mad. A big Ascher is on my list, but not for any particular reason - if it's Sheffield, vintage and not too broke then it can more than likely take an excellent edge. Have at it!

I am under the impression that the big 3 of Sheffield razor makers were Wade & Butcher, Joseph Rodgers and Sons, and George Wostenholm & Sons. Not in terms of being superior to other Sheffield makers, but in amount produced and longevity of the companies. IME all of the old Sheffields I've had have been fine shavers. The thing to look for is not so much who made it as much as what the condition of the blade is now. IMHO.

I am beginning to think it might be hard to find a bad Sheffield razor but I am sure they exist. The five of different makers that I use have all been good shavers. The only one I had problems with was a Pipe razor with a bent tang that I straightened but shaved well till I dropped it. I am starting to like their heavier grinds like the 1/4 hollows. Interesting thread seeing the different manufacturers mentioned not the same old big three all the time.

Bob

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Originally Posted by EisenFaust

Ha! That list could drive a man mad.

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And I bet Wullie has at least 2 of each!

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Originally Posted by BobH

I am beginning to think it might be hard to find a bad Sheffield razor but I am sure they exist...

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No they don't exist. Anything made in Sheffield is, or was, a tremendous razor.

James.

Jimbo

Then finding that one bad one would be considered the holy grail of Sheffield razors? :nj

Bob

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Originally Posted by Jimbo

No they don't exist. Anything made in Sheffield is, or was, a tremendous razor.

James.

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Charles Peace was made in Sheffield - he was pretty bad! From pictures of him, it didn't look like he was a tremendous shaver, either... :)

Regards,
Neil

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Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

And I bet Wullie has at least 2 of each!

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I can ONLY DREAM!

Now Tom on the other hand probably has three of everything from that list and some that aren't on the list...............:rofl2:

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I am under the impression that the big 3 of Sheffield razor makers were Wade & Butcher, Joseph Rodgers and Sons, and George Wostenholm & Sons. Not in terms of being superior to other Sheffield makers, but in amount produced and longevity of the companies. IME all of the old Sheffields I've had have been fine shavers. The thing to look for is not so much who made it as much as what the condition of the blade is now. IMHO.

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I don't know, I see a LOT more Frederick Reynolds stuff for sale than I do Joseph Rodgers.

Using that TOTALLY non-scientific assumption makes me think that Freddy and the boys outdid Joseph and sons in production numbers. I've got several of both and they ALL give stellar shaves.

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Originally Posted by BobH

Jimbo

Then finding that one bad one would be considered the holy grail of Sheffield razors? :nj

Bob

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I guess it would, yes! But you'd have to prove it was a manufacturing issue, and not a function of time, mistreatment, "restoration" etc.

I'm not a gambling man, but if I were ever to put down a wager it would be on this issue, so strongly do I feel about the Sheffield straight razor manufacturing industry. God Bless the Queen!

James.

In this interesting thread I see no mention of Wheatly Brothers Sheaf Works razors. Can anyone shed some light on them. Good, bad or indifferent?

Bob

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Originally Posted by Wullie

I can ONLY DREAM!

Now Tom on the other hand probably has three of everything from that list and some that aren't on the list...............:rofl2:



I don't know, I see a LOT more Frederick Reynolds stuff for sale than I do Joseph Rodgers.

Using that TOTALLY non-scientific assumption makes me think that Freddy and the boys outdid Joseph and sons in production numbers. I've got several of both and they ALL give stellar shaves.

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Dunno. I do know that Rodgers and Wostenholm mfgd into the 1970s. W&B maybe the fifties. I think Reynolds was long gone well before that. :)

Here's the thing. When it comes to classic-era Sheffield razors, the cut-rate knock-offs -- like I. Barber and J. Wostenholm -- are superb razors.

That said, I've never seen a Hunter & Sons razor that was in good shape, and I have no idea why.

Here in America we've got a skewed sense of who the biggest producers were, largely because between Wade & Butcher and Wostenholm our streets were paved with Sheffield razors. The great bulk of all the production from those two companies went directly to America, moreso Wostenholm that W&B, but all the same, they were major exporters.

My perception of 'largest' (which doesn't equal best) is, in order of prevalence:
Wade & Butcher
George Wostenholm
Frederick Reynolds
Joseph Elliot
Joseph Rodgers

(depending on wind speed and humidity, my ordering of the last three will change)

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I've never seen a Hunter & Sons razor that was in good shape

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Originally Posted by Voidmonster

The great bulk of all the production from those two companies went directly to America, moreso Wostenholm that W&B, but all the same, they were major exporters.

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I was surprised when I found out that Butcher ..... IIRC .... was not even a razor maker. He was the NY based facilitator of Wade's importing into the USA. Anyway .... I know someone will correct me if I'm (shudder) wrong. :p

I go by what i like in a razor so for me most of mine are sheffield's and most of those are joseph rogers,i do have others it's just some look better to me than others but the best looking razor i've seen are the fenney tally ho's,i just can't find one for the right price before they're sold so i'm not buying another razor until i get one

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Awesome! I knew they had to be out there!

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I was surprised when I found out that Butcher ..... IIRC .... was not even a razor maker. He was the NY based facilitator of Wade's importing into the USA. Anyway .... I know someone will correct me if I'm (shudder) wrong. :p

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It's the other way around. Robert Wade was the American agent for William and Samuel Butcher. But it's not at all clear that Wade was, himself, American. He produced razors of his own in Sheffield before there was a Wade & Butcher, and as Neil has pointed out, his wife continued producing razors after his death in the early 1820's. But it's also confusing because Samuel acted as the American agent after Robert Wade's death.

The entire lot of them produced razors.

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Dunno. I do know that Rodgers and Wostenholm mfgd into the 1970s. W&B maybe the fifties. I think Reynolds was long gone well before that. :)

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Can't argue that, but the bulk of straight razor manufacture had pretty much died off by the 1930's. Wostenholm continued to make knives and cutlery until the 70's.

I own one Wostenholm's "end of days" knives. It's unused with all the paperwork. I've seen better examples of knives coming from China. In other words, they were just a faint shadow of their former prowess and glory.

I'm just basing my statement on the number of razors that I generally remember seeing for sale on the bay.
( My rememberer ain't that great these days either :p )

Wullie. This is superb. i've put this list into Excell and have seperated the dates. Thanks for this.

Somebody knows about the PRILYL Bros razor manufacture? I found and restored this beautiful razor but nothing can't found on Google about the manufacturer((
If anyone have the information about the manufacturer or how old could be this razor, i'll be very gratefull))
Thanks in advance for help)
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This is a shot in the dark. The closest I could find is a listing for Pribyl Bros. Celebrated Cutlery, Chicago Illinois, ca, 1880 -1905 found here https://www.roadshowcollectibles.ca/...s-of-operation .

My guess is that Pribly Bros. were importers of cutlery to the US. As the razor is marked Sheffield not Sheffield England it was made prior to 1889 after which date country of origin marking were required.

Bob

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Originally Posted by BobH

This is a shot in the dark. The closest I could find is a listing for Pribyl Bros. Celebrated Cutlery, Chicago Illinois, ca, 1880 -1905 found here https://www.roadshowcollectibles.ca/...s-of-operation .

My guess is that Pribly Bros. were importers of cutlery to the US. As the razor is marked Sheffield not Sheffield England it was made prior to 1889 after which date country of origin marking were required.

Bob

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Thank you so much, i think you're right. At the otherside of the blade staying mark "INDIA STEEL" is that say something? Attachment 309791

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Originally Posted by quetto

Thank you so much, i think you're right. At the otherside of the blade staying mark "INDIA STEEL" is that say something?

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You are welcome and I have to say sorry for not welcoming you to the forum in my first post. The marking "India Steel" is generally thought to be a marketing ploy and signifies nothing of importance about the type/quality of the steel.

Bob

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Originally Posted by BobH

You are welcome and I have to say sorry for not welcoming you to the forum in my first post. The marking "India Steel" is generally thought to be a marketing ploy and signifies nothing of importance about the type/quality of the steel.

Bob

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Thank you so much!!!