Bismarck Solingen 702 razor

So I got this the other day and cleaned it up. Seems to me that it's a 6/8 half hollow ground Bismarck from before the time that DOVO purchased the bismarck trademark.I honed it up last night and shaved this morning and absolutely love the razor. There is slight honeware as there is just over 5/8's now. The razor had a few spots of rust and one spot that pitted the rear face of the blade but nothing that would degrade the quality of the cutting edge or steel. Pics will follow tonight, as I'm at work right now (on military time lol).I can only find ONE other example of this razor and it's on ebay right now, in worse shape than mine.Does anyone have information about this manufacturer? About the razor specifically? I've seen Bismarck's with 'bismark registered' and just 'bismarck' and, like the one I have, 'bismarck solingen'.All the other examples of bismarcks i've seen only have 2 pin scales. Mine has 3 pins and heavy black bakelite scales.

I forgot to mention that on the front face of the blade there is, what seems to be, acid etching that reads 'PRIMA SILVER STEEL'.Hope that helps a little! I've searched the wiki here, used google, etc, and can't find anything :(

where are the pics? :)

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where are the pics? :)

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I'm at work, at 14 Wing, Canadian Forces Base Greenwood... I'm also not allowed having a camera on this side of base so even if I had my razor here with me I couldn't take pics to upload it!You'll get your pictures tonight around 330pm my time. What do you know about these things Stefan?

Vintage Bismarcks are nice razors, I have not seen a 702, I have seen a bunch of 14's and 18's only.

Simply for identification, here is a link to a listing for the same razor. The one I have is in far better condition.Vintage Straight Razor Solingen Bismarck Germany | eBay

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Simply for identification, here is a link to a listing for the same razor. The one I have is in far better condition.Vintage Straight Razor Solingen Bismarck Germany | eBay

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Only thing I can find prior to Dovo is, August Muller 1900-1957. Hope thats a little help

Hi,

I have found one Bismarck 702 too, 3 weeks ago here in hamburg. The condition is stunning, like never used. No rust, no dirt but unlike yours with a white 3 pin scale with BISMARCK SUPER printed on.
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Any further information now?

Regards
Christian

I am aware that the Revisor factory, in Germany, has bought up and evidently continues to buy, old blanks. They seem to refinish them as the need comes along. The scales are often similar to what one might expect, but simpler. Names painted instead of inlays? Anyone here think that might be the case here? In the razor world things sometimes pop up that defy explaination. I recently picked up a razor that looks exactly like a De Pew, less the patent info on the tang. It has Joseph Rodgers info on the blade, where there would usually have been De Pew info. Any ideas from anyone?????
Thanks,

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In the razor world things sometimes pop up that defy explaination. I recently picked up a razor that looks exactly like a De Pew, less the patent info on the tang. It has Joseph Rodgers info on the blade, where there would usually have been De Pew info. Any ideas from anyone?????
Thanks,

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I can't give you any history but Joseph Rodgers also made a similar razor to the De Pews with the long monkey tail ..... but you already know that ...... I'm not sure who came up with it first. Maybe Neil, Manah, or Martin would have more info. I've see a few Rodgers like that over the years though.

Thanks Mr Had. Every little bit helps. Hope Neil, Manah, or Martin will weigh in if they have more info. Have been trying to find a tie, but have not yet. Had actually considered that maybe De Pew made this for Rodgers, or some similar arrangement. Appreciate your help!

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Originally Posted by bigeasy1

I am aware that the Revisor factory, in Germany, has bought up and evidently continues to buy, old blanks. They seem to refinish them as the need comes along. The scales are often similar to what one might expect, but simpler. Names painted instead of inlays? Anyone here think that might be the case here? In the razor world things sometimes pop up that defy explaination. I recently picked up a razor that looks exactly like a De Pew, less the patent info on the tang. It has Joseph Rodgers info on the blade, where there would usually have been De Pew info. Any ideas from anyone?????
Thanks,

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Comments about Revisor factory based only on purchases from them. I have no real understanding of how they obtain 'vintage' razors, or what they may or may not do to them.

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Originally Posted by bigeasy1

I am aware that the Revisor factory, in Germany, has bought up and evidently continues to buy, old blanks. They seem to refinish them as the need comes along. The scales are often similar to what one might expect, but simpler. Names painted instead of inlays? Anyone here think that might be the case here? In the razor world things sometimes pop up that defy explaination. I recently picked up a razor that looks exactly like a De Pew, less the patent info on the tang. It has Joseph Rodgers info on the blade, where there would usually have been De Pew info. Any ideas from anyone?????
Thanks,

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Hi Al,

thank you very much for your answer. Yes it´s right with this painted logo of Gotta.
I ask my friend Bernd, his grand-pa was the owner of Grah & Pluehmacher. They had the Logo "Gotta" and "Blue diamond".
They made these painted scales in the "bad time" of Germany, that means short after the end of the second world war.
New-silver inlays were not produced, the people in Germany had other problems, to find something to eat etc.,, so they made
a primitive stamp and had razors in exchange of meat, bread or flour. Perhaps you can copy my aswer in the tread.

Best regards from Solingen/Germany

Thomas Kronenberg
CEO Revisor GmbH

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Originally Posted by bigeasy1

Thanks Mr Had. Every little bit helps. Hope Neil, Manah, or Martin will weigh in if they have more info. Have been trying to find a tie, but have not yet. Had actually considered that maybe De Pew made this for Rodgers, or some similar arrangement. Appreciate your help!

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Bigeasy, look at this thread, just to complicate things a little more : http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...ease-help.html

The few Joseph Rodgers i came across with the Depew look alike tail and blade shape were both marked "Cutler to their majesties". That said the stamp means Victoria & Albert reign but to add to the confusion Albert died in 1861 and Victoria didnt remove his name from their reign, her reign ended in 1901.

Makes dating a Rodgers very difficult during Victoria reign because its such a large time frame (60+ years). Also the Rodgers Depew look alike, one of them had the England stamp, so that would make that one post 1891, the other one didnt..........

About Depew , "The Perfect Razor" 1882. The company located in England and USA, could it be that Depew was just a distributor of these razors. Perhaps they were all made by Rodgers?

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Bigeasy, look at this thread, just to complicate things a little more : http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...ease-help.html

The few Joseph Rodgers i came across with the Depew look alike tail and blade shape were both marked "Cutler to their majesties". That said the stamp means Victoria & Albert reign but to add to the confusion Albert died in 1861 and Victoria didnt remove his name from their reign, her reign ended in 1901.

Makes dating a Rodgers very difficult during Victoria reign because its such a large time frame (60+ years). Also the Rodgers Depew look alike, one of them had the England stamp, so that would make that one post 1891, the other one didnt..........

About Depew , "The Perfect Razor" 1882. The company located in England and USA, could it be that Depew was just a distributor of these razors. Perhaps they were all made by Rodgers?

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Hi Martin, thanks for weighing in. You throw more questions at a guy looking for answers! :hmmm: Mine doesn't have 'England'. And there are no markings on the tang or tail, although that could have disappeared by now. But regardless, would be nice to know the story. I understand that DePew's name was on the patent, but not quite sure where or when I saw that. Would Rodgers have infringed on a patent? But then it isn't infringing if there is an agreement between the two? Thanks, have attached a couple of pics.
Al
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Still Talking about Bismarck 702?

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Still Talking about Bismarck 702?

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Opps, sorry, guess we did get off topic there.