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Sorry if this seems obvious but with respects to certain things i'm a real newbie. I have my eye on a new Thiers Issard and fancy a try at something other than a full hollow. I've noticed the half hollow they do which is an obvious one but I see some that have X-Thick. Is that likely to be wedge, near wedge, or quarter hollow?
Thanks in advance.
No one makes wedges or near wedges any more. I suspect even a custom maker wouldn't do one.
Probably extra thick refers to it being a very heavy blade. It should say what the grind is. I would guess part hollow.
Do you have a link? IIRC the heaviest grind TI makes nowadays is 3/4 hollow (likely what they call 1/2 hollow), but I'm not sure.
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Originally Posted by Ryan82
that's the link, first razor and third razor.
Funny way to describe the grind as extra thick. Why don't they just say what it is? I would guess half or quarter hollow.
It's tough to say, considering they apparently don't like to show cross section pictures. One pic somewhat showed the toe end of an "X thick" razor, and to me it appeared to be what we would consider half hollow.
I suppose you could e-mail the vendor and ask, or better yet get them to send you a picture of the grind.
That may well be the way forward and ask the guy selling them. strange thing is he makes out he is the main importer of TI into the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan82
Unless there is someone you guys side of the pond that sells Hart steel into the UK?
I have one of these and it is a thicker grind than my 1/4 hollow TI Crown Wing, but nowhere near a wedge.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivocoj1
Great thanks for that info. So would it be a fair guess that it is somewhere near 1/4 hollow?Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzychops
I find it noticeably heavier than my TI 1/4 hollow, but much closer to 1/4 hollow than to a vintage wedge.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivocoj1
The premium scales on those razors accounts for a substantial part of the cost, you can get the same blade in black plastic for about 1/3 of what I paid for that blade with box elder.
'Basic Black' range
Also, the price point of that razor with premium scales is very near what Tim Zowada is asking for his 1/4 hollow 2H2H razors. If you can wait for a couple of months, it will be a better razor for the money.
http://straightrazorpalace.com/vendo...zors-2h2h.html
Great thanks for all the info and the tip re the black plastic scales, only problem is i really like the horn scales. My head is like for goodness sake its the same blade and my heart says yes but the horn scales are pretty. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzychops
I think he is the main distributor in the UK - I don't know of anyone else. You could always try some of the US on-line retailers but beware that you may then have to pay import duty and tax on top of additional shipping costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivocoj1
Yes he is the main distributor in the UK and a good guy to boot. If you've any questions, send him an email, he'll usually get back to you. Posts here as BluePrinciple, I think, though haven't seen him for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKRob
The current TI grinds are on the heavy side - their Evide Sonant Extra which is supposed to be the most hollow is nothing like the original model. I am pretty sure that this is because producing extra hollow ground razor requires extremely high grinding skill that very few poses, and it's far more costly.
As far as the TI razor you're looking at you could ask the vendor if he can send you a photograph of the grind, but from the reflections and the curve at the shank it looks like something around half hollow. Or ask him if he can stock one of the more heavy grinds TI if they still make those.
If I'd be in the market for a heavy grind new razor at that price range, I'd probably get either the SRP special from Robert Williams or the new cheap line of Tim Zowada. The later looks like a little more refined Hart (not a surprise), but the workmanship should be superior. You'll have to wait for either of those though.
Of course for the same amount of money you could also get a fantastic historical piece from Sheffield, especially if you stay away from hyped up brands like w&b, but it won't be new razor, only looking like new.
Maybe these images will help - from left to right is an x-thick, a 1/4 hollow and a 1/2 hollow.
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Is there a difference shaving between the left and the middle? They look awfully similar and I know how the middle one shaves, because I've used it exclusively for the last 3 weeks.
I think a quarter hollow grind is considered this grind (and it's a completely different feedback - essentially a wedge):
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(btw, it's a vintage LeGrelot, not the TIs made from LeGrelot blanks)
You are correct, the grind is similar but the left one (x-thick Spartacus) is longer than the middle one (Crown Wing) and therefore it has quite a bit more heft to it. I would say the Spartacus has less feedback than the Crown Wing, but again, it's not like a wedge.Quote:
Originally Posted by gugi
I was under the impression that the x-thick is unique to The Invisible Edge, not sure why it isn't just called quarter hollow.
Well thank you Gentlemen for the advice as always exactly the infomation and help I need.
The Custom made by Tim is an interesting looking razor and with the current exchange rate its going to be the same price as a horn handled TI plus a bit of shipping etc.
Does anyone have or used one of them?
