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Not that I know of. My coarse barber hones can take it off about the same speed, but of course they're smaller and more cumbersome.

Yeah, there's a reason I don't use it anymore, and the reason I don't mess with ebay dogs anymore. Those Shapton 2k and 5k hones are callin' my name, though...

Between you and Lynn I'm more convinced than ever that there's something wrong with the 4k side of my Norton. 40-50 strokes on the 4k won't make much of a dent in the scratches from the 1k...