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So why can't you be a sheepdog without a gun? Is it because all the wolves have guns? What would happen if the wolves didn't have guns? What would a sheepdog look like then? How do sheepdogs even...

Yes.

James.

Well you see, if nothing were illegal no one would break laws and hence there would be no "bad" people.

James.

If we outlawed crimes there'd be no bad people!

:D

James.

Remind me not to accept a pig roast invitation from you Wullie :D

James.

Hang on...I thought rifles didn't kill pigs, farmers kill pigs. Or do rifles only not kill people? I'm so confused...

James.

I also think they should be banned.

James.

Well, all I can say to that is I hope that day never comes (again) for the US. Civil wars have a way of becoming messy, and I am not confident the "us" and "them" boundaries would be as clear cut now...

So you are saying that (1) Americans do not respect the law; and (2) America is incapable of policing its laws.

No wonder you guys want guns.

James.

Asking people what they would do in unrealistic and contrived situations is hardly conclusive of anything. However, I would, based on your scenario Glen, overcome my training injury with the power of...

I agree 100% - training is vital. So there is mandatory and thorough training for anyone and everyone who wants to own firearms in the US?

James.

No, I understood his point and it is true, if you want to kill people there's usually a way to do it, as you say. It just seems that guns feature a lot in that "one way or another".

James.

G-man, I have to disagree. Box cutters didn't kill those people. That's like saying a batman costume killed the people in the movie theatre. They were each just a means to an end, not the end...

So if I am understanding the argument correctly, if I point a gun at your head, and you point a gun at mine, both you and I can rest easy in perfect safety from each other? lol!

So how does that...

But surely you can mitigate the *severity* of the carnage? I mean, if guns were not one of the most efficient, useful and easy methods of killing things, why are they still being manufactured? I'd...

The whole argument is pointless. No one will change their minds over this. People are far too inculcated in their own beliefs to countenance a real debate on this issue and all that happens is that...

Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. So let's keep the guns and just ban people with guns. Or better yet, stick all people who want to have guns in the one place and let them shoot...