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    you will not get improvement from 4k by doing 8...

    you will not get improvement from 4k by doing 8 x-strokes on 8k. Try 20 and test, if needed add 10 more and test again. If you see improvement but still the edge is not quite there keep doing sets of...
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    how exactly are you using the 8k?

    how exactly are you using the 8k?
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