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Damn, this thread is still going, gonna take me a few days to catch up the the conversation.



Yes, Harry Potter did exist. Hermeiny, Ron, Dumbledorf and numerous others witnessed it. They put...

You are correct, people to this day are willing to die for their faith without ever actually seeing Jesus, So it could be reasoned that the apostles could have been willing to die for their faith...

If memory serves, the fire was started by the branch dividians as a mass suicide, although some members were not as willing, they burned anyways, (granted not all members of Jones town wanted to...

Not to over simplify the obvious but I can fit your entire explanation into a smaller package...

"Faith"

there, although it doesn't sound as pretty in short hand.

If I am not mistaken, the lessons Jesus taught were very pacifistic and did warn against harming others. However, I have also been told that the one true god followed by Christians is the god of...

Now this would be a good reference showing how Christianity is different from the branch dividians, not how or why the follower of the faith died but by understanding the principals of the doctrine...

gssixguns, the more I see you comment in this thread, the more I like you. Seems like we have a similar view on this topic (or at least the arguments that fuel it).

As for the perception that...

Obviously there was no gain in the face of their persecution, but this persecution could have easily been the end result of a ruse they employed for gains that did not come to fruition.

I am not...

I understand Christians were persecuted at the time and were not reaping the benefits that you can gain in todays Christianity. Even if they gained nothing by their uprising it doesn't mean the...

OK, I missed one. perhaps he decided to take himself out before they got to him. It does not change the fact that the proof provided in the statements is not proof of any sort.

I can't believe I'm letting you suck me into this argument.

How do you know that the apostles didn't know it was a lie. Take yourself outside of your blind faith for a moment and consider...

I understand there is a significant difference in the message and fellowship between Jesus Christ and David Caresh.

What I am saying is that your argument, that people willing to die for the...

Couldn't that same argument be used for jones town or the branch dividians or pretty much anyone that dies for their faith?