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I use neither of those so I cannot compare. I would say 5000 at least, probably more like 8000. I do not have that particular hone anymore, I gave it away as a gift. I have more of the raw material...

And I accepted the invitation. I am no expert on the matter, but I do use stones and hones often as a professional sharpener. I have made a few also as an obsessive tinkerer. I think Pyment came...