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    This thread seems to have been going in circles...

    This thread seems to have been going in circles for ages.
    There are two sides here, and both are convinced they have the "correct" view on these matters.
    Do you guys really see any point in...
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    Whoa, I'm never gonna be able to convince you...

    Whoa, I'm never gonna be able to convince you that it wasn't me...
    Sorry about that mate.
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    And at the sime time you crossed the magic 300...

    And at the sime time you crossed the magic 300 posts line:)
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    Yes it could, and you know what? We are doing...

    Yes it could, and you know what? We are doing that. Implementation of security regulations on car manufacturers, more is done to reduce DUI, unhealthy foods are taxed heavier to promote the healthier...
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    Aye, I'm sure those figures are correct. Noone...

    Aye, I'm sure those figures are correct.
    Noone ever said driving a car was safe, nor should it be seen as an argument for making gun deaths any lesser or more acceptable.

    54 dead children under...
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    I do hope I haven't instilled in you the...

    I do hope I haven't instilled in you the impression that just adding more laws, without enforcing them is the answer.
    If so, I apologize.
    Just to be clear, I would ideally like, not just in the US,...
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    Oh, somehow I find that rather difficult to...

    Oh, somehow I find that rather difficult to believe..
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    Then enforcement of said laws are, in lack of a...

    Then enforcement of said laws are, in lack of a better word, somewhat underwhelming...

    I know that old addage by heart now, spending time here kinda ensures that;)
    The fault of that addage is...
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    Wow, sounds a peach and a half... Putting guns...

    Wow, sounds a peach and a half...
    Putting guns in the hands of that lot sounds a bloody mess for sure!
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    I know most any do that, and I did not mean to...

    I know most any do that, and I did not mean to point any fingers, you know that right?
    That said, these accidents actually happen
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    While we may all disagree on this subject, I...

    While we may all disagree on this subject, I don't think that is a fair post.
    There are cultural differences regarding these matters, and questioning someone's Christianity based on this discussion,...
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    Well, that is a tough question indeed, and it has...

    Well, that is a tough question indeed, and it has a very simple answer in my book.

    A little preface first.
    In my opinion, having a loaded gun in a drawer, in a house such as mine where there are...
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    I would say that we are in agreement on that...

    I would say that we are in agreement on that aspect as well.
    There is focus on the guns, the mere tools, in this thread, and in the debate as a whole.
    That is not addressing the whole issue of gun...
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    You know, I would totally agree with you on the...

    You know, I would totally agree with you on the fact that gun control will not be able to stop any and all that want to commit such acts as Breivik did.
    What seems to be the big difference between...
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    Yes, that incident was a heinous one. It is also...

    Yes, that incident was a heinous one.
    It is also a good argument for the fact that strict regulations on weapons work. To me at least.
    there aren't many willing and able to go to such preparations...
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    Indeed it has. And then again, others show quite...

    Indeed it has.
    And then again, others show quite the opposite.

    To quote one of the justices, Stephen G. Beyer, at the US supreme court a few yers back:

    “The upshot is a set of studies and...
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    Gentlemen! Moderator note: Try to keep this...

    Gentlemen!

    Moderator note:
    Try to keep this in a civil manner without passing judgement or patronizing each other.
    Discuss the topic at hand, keep characterizations of other members out of this...
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    Thank you Sailor:) To have Bruce Springsteen...

    Thank you Sailor:)
    To have Bruce Springsteen join in with his version of "We shall overcome" was quite special to behold.

    Yes, that maniac is never gonna experience life as a free man again. Good...
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    Point taken! The situation up here aren't all...

    Point taken!
    The situation up here aren't all that much to use as a comparison, I'll admit.
    Not to say we don't have issues up here, we most certainly do.
    All I'm trying to do is relay alternative...
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    That is basically what we, and a lot more nations...

    That is basically what we, and a lot more nations out there have done for years and years..
    For some of those, that has proven to be a disaster.
    For others, it has been the most natural thing in...
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    No worries mate, no risk of any black list, not...

    No worries mate, no risk of any black list, not at all.
    As far as I'm concerned, this is friends discussing our different viewpoints, nothing more.

    It is pretty obvious that we will never see eye...
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    This is a strange logic. If some of those...

    This is a strange logic.
    If some of those attending that film that night were armed, do that really mean they had been trained to actually fight in a dark room, with tear gaz grenades flying around...
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