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+1 to the above. If someone isn't getting a nice shave without any problems off a 8k Norton, than he is doing something wrong. If you use crox afterwards, than that shave will be even better. The...

Naniwa 12k here too. Best price/performace ratio, and easiest to use synth finisher period. I am yet to find something that is more foolproof to use as a finisher, even pastes can be more tricky...