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Many Thanks, Utopian and Stu.

I notice a huge change in keenness depending on what I use just before the asagi.

Most recently, I tried a nani 12k before 50 strokes on the asagi (a very slow...

So is the 8k shapton or nani used right before asagi, or 'some sort of natural finisher'?

Have you found how fast it is? How many strokes before darkening of water or slurry show?

Stu, whatcha gonna use just before hitting the asagi? Or are you going to use nagura?