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    I'm sure some were coticules I believe, which...

    I'm sure some were coticules I believe, which opens up the variation even more. But then again I've heard chinese 12k's to be extremely varied in performance for a single stone
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    what type of 12k is it? naniwas are pretty quick...

    what type of 12k is it? naniwas are pretty quick finishers (10 laps) whereas chinese 12k generally slow (30 laps), it depends.

    Whatever stone it is, I would advise, very slow perfect strokes....
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