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the co bigelow should be pretty easy to get a good lather. just use about an almond size and just let the water drip out of brush, then lather it up for a minute. col conk might take a little more...

what type of soap are you using? my lather typically lasts at least a good 10 - 15 minutes, about how long it takes me to shave. i use omega soap and proraso cream. i've been wet shaving for a few...