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got ya B. My Shap's start at 16K so I have no experience with the other lower grit one's. My point was for me IMHO there is a definite place for a 12K naniwa in my hone progression. Could I get by...

I can't for the life of me figure this out. Am I the only one here that feels a qualitative and quantitative difference in the edge's between my 12K naniwa and 16K shapton? Not only is the 12K...

What I was getting at was which birnando pointed out, PHIG'S are a natural stone. All PHIG's tend to have different grit's(a different topic). I could have also stated any other high grit finisher....

naniwa and shaptons are not PHIG's. Not sure where you got this info. They use a different type of material for stone make up but IMHO and many others here they provide a noticeable difference in...

When I have a new razor I will try a few different things. The stainless for me will usually take a bit more to "hit" then a carbon blade. On my stainless Dovo I run it up to 16K Shap then about 5...

As Glen talked about, every razor is different. I don't have any set pattern to how many laps I home at a certain grit. I have learned to go by how the razor feels on the stones and how it looks...

Now I understand John. Use CrOx on leather, HPF or balsa. You will see much better results. For me, I tried all kinds of progressions and stuck with what works. I run nortons up to 8K then 12K naniwa...

This is where I get confused. If you are using good technique and have done your job correctly on honing, I find it hard to believe you ruined an edge with CrOx. YMMV(your mileage must vary)

Do not give up on the CrOx. As has been said, it gives a smoothness that a shapton can't give. Even at 30K. I will almost always finish with it for this reason. CrOx on balsa.