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thanks for the detail. I'm not really that upset about it,lol. I used to use it a lot; now that I have coticules and japanese natural stones it doesn't really come out of the drawer much. Mainly...

just that people don't call a japanese natural stone, which is also of indeterminate grit, a jhit. as far as I have read ALL natural stones are indeterminate grit. that's all.

Perhaps I should try using a coticule on water AFTER the C12. that might mellow the keenness without losing the sharpness

also, I hate the PHIG designation as it is derogatory. No one knows the...

I have never uses a Thuringian but my C12k is a great finisher, very hard ( a bit slow but no worries as a finisher) with a crispy sharp edge. I prefer the finished edge smoother but it's a great...