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Well it is either this or shouting at a brick wall all day;)

Seriously, there is basically no hope of either side convincing the other. It can be a good debate, but I am not sure there is...

I do not want to guess the difference because any attempt to do so would be jumping to a conclusion. Correlation is not the same as causation.

Ahh, but can someone not be "bad" in an (un)ethical sense in the absence of any laws?

Making crimes illegal?....interesting...tell me more about this idea...

If we outlawed bad people, there would be no crimes;)