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i'll give the q tip test a try, i moved on to another razor and was able to get a decent shave out of it. i ditched the pyramid method and just looked at the scratch pattern. it was still a guessing...

thanks everyone for your help/encouragement. one thing i've learned through this process is that i have wasted a lot of money on razors that i thought were reparable and would be good practice.
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just got 1,5,8k naniwa super stones last week and got one razor honed with success but spent hours working on the second with no luck. i'm almost ready to sell me stones and give up! it's a clauss...