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I have never done this. I would always use my face muscles to stretch without manipulating with my hands. Going to start using my fingers to stretch it tight! Thanks and could not help to notice...

You are right Ed. I find this works best and I just need to learn the techniques obviously better. Going to take all this advice and put into practice for sure.

Thank you wildfirejoe for the tips I will try those to see what happens. Yes I tried the chin area against the grain and the razor started to bite into my flesh so I stopped!!!! Went straight down...

Okay............it's getting better, the shaving with a str8 that is. But I still find the chin; the jaw bone line; and the upper lip (mustache) area to be a challenge still. Tried different angles...