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It takes a lot longer to set the bevel than you think on a wedge. If you are honing with the 8k and getting no progress the chances are that the bevel really does need more work. It can take some...

I have tried different techniques for both sorts. I do find the hollows bend too though. I think that I originally liked them because they still shaved with a not so good edge. Now I don't mind...

I don't know why but I seem to have a much higher success rate with honing wedges than hollow grounds. I have simply honed more wedges and find approaching hollow grounds difficult. I just got a few...