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I connected painful shave to a poor edge. So gave him tips on honing.

honing is tough for the newbie. It doesn't always work as intended at the first go. this is my experience.

In my limited opinion, if the honing is not working, then you need to work with slurry. Some oilstones do not work well with water but do work with slurry. If there is a problem with the lapping...