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just after I posted this thread, I found this one, boy those sub-heading forums are tricky :} http://straightrazorpalace.com/advanced-honing-topics/82698-honing-without-tape-testing-theories.html
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so I was practicing honing a couple razors last night and finishing them this morning, and got to wondering about the tape vs no tape thing.

right now I am liking the tape, as ive only honed a...