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Don't bother Dave, you will find the same arguements from the Anti's based on heartfelt hate, and the same cold calculated facts produced by the Pro's They will never ever face the facts, and we will...

I guess I am misreading those statements then :shrug:

James I do have to question your objective in this thread..

Since you live in a country that doesn't allow ANY civilian gun ownership, it seems that you have no dog in this fight...

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hehehe I promise it wasn't "B" Firefighter2 deleted his own post, and changed the count :(

Jeez even the Huff post super user comments think that is a terrible anti gun argument..

There have got to be better articles out there to help voice your opinion, try this link it has a ton of...

So the latest news on Sponge Bob Orange Hair, it seems that the breakdown was in the Mental Health arena.. The latest news this morning was that his Mental Heath counselor did as she was supposed to...

**Runs outside to see the Blue Moon as Carl actually agrees with me once in this thread*** :rofl2:


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Yeah sorry I can't jump on that bandwagon with you... I don't begrudge the rich if they follow the laws...

Also yer line about "Sniffing the Cheese" shows that you don't understand business to...

Easy now, let's get the facts straights Ford took no money.... They simply went to see what the deal was, and then said "No thank you" So if Alan Mulally wants to fly his jet on his money he can...

There is no way I can't convert him into a gun toting, true American hillbilly redneck cowboy, if he comes out west Muhahahaha hell I have my own shooting range at the ranch :rofl2:

And the...

Ooooohhhhh Really your coming to Washington state :) well hell we'll be neighbors then... Washington state is almost two seperate entities, Western Wa ie: The Coast and the big cities, and...

heheheh the really bad part is I am almost beginning to beleive he really is this Liberal and not just Trolling the thread to get a rise..

This entire thread I have basically thought he was just...

You might want to read that site with the graph you posted a bit closer too :rofl2: I would just go with the "The facts are wrong and I am right" stance if I were you...

Ahhhh see now you are learning, if the facts are against you, then dimiss all the facts and twist a different direction,, you are a true loud and proud liberal now...

"I don't care what the facts...

From your link just the conclusion on YOUR country the stats are even more blatant for MY country

Not counting the above-listed anomalies, the British homicide rate has averaged 52% higher since...

That link explains how Firearms reduce crime, and have reduced crime, in almost every circumstance including England and Wales..

It shows the facts of restrictive Firearms laws having a marked...

Ummmmm Thank You ????

You might actually want to read that info, you might realize what everybody has been saying...

I just could not resist pointing that out

I have to say that now the facts have been presented, it seems that the "arguments" being presented by those of you on the Anti-gun side have begun to lose their credibility...

Now you gents have...

Where exactly does it say that ????

Here it is, just in case you are not sure what it says

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people...

Again you have proved my point that you cannot engage in this discussion with Logic and Facts, your utter naiveté seriously scares me, more than a nutjob with a AR-15..


To counter your point, "I...

I would agree with your story, maybe 20-30 years ago, but now you have to Multiply in the drug factor

Even the Drugs are not the same as they were back then, everything is stronger, more addictive...

I did not find those numbers my chart cut off at 2006,, Interesting

And there in lies the true problem with the USA...

I and most every American could tell you exactly what the problem is but the answer would not be PC and therefore we are not allowed to bring it...

Pretty much England had and continues to have a low crime rate, nothing wrong there, except when you try and attribute it to your Gun Laws, as that just isn't the truth.
I find your complete faith...

Hmmm perhaps it wasn't clear your Crime rates DID NOT change Before, During, or After, according to your crime stats issued by your Police.. They was no uptick or decrease your Crime and Gun Crime...