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Chris and Russel,

Sorry, my words are heavy handed. I don't mean you guys don't know what you are talking about.

I'm not looking for a fight and your points as always are ofcourse perfectly...

Look, I'm not going to win any argument against you guys because you bought the stuff. I mean let's face it, it's been available for purchase for at least two years now. It's been available for wall...

I'm not, and that' why I said it's a low grade.

Iv'e done that twice before. But you really need to speak German to get what you want.

I will bring a coticule and rubbing stone, a grey Thuringien and rubbing stone and a green yellow Thuringien...

If you buy a coticule it should come with a rubbing stone.

Only in America would you buy/accept one without the other.

But if you won't pay the European price and really think they are so...