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Okay, so here is what I did after reading this thread.

I used the orange patchouli creme by itself lathered in a mug with my usual creme amount and usual brush moisture.

The lather was not...

I will say that using the creams and soaps in tandem for uberlather is pretty successful. Incidentally, depending on when you bought them, Colleen had made some changes to the formula and I believe...