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    When you get to this point it becomes a hobby and...

    When you get to this point it becomes a hobby and there is no end game.

    I have a profitec 600 and a Eureka Atom and I say the same thing Har Har.
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    The machine is just the start. Then you need a...

    The machine is just the start. Then you need a good grinder and then there's all the accessories big and small and of course you can't buy cheap coffee and maybe you want to roast yer own.

    ask me...
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    When you are the first or almost the first and...

    When you are the first or almost the first and expand rapidly you have a national or international juggernaut and with the right publicity and the right clientele base when folks think of the product...
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    In the scheme of things it's really not that bad....

    In the scheme of things it's really not that bad. Once you get your setup and IF you've done your homework you have equipment that will last a very long time to forever.

    That 200 bucks may seem...
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    I'm sure sediment or minerals in water would...

    I'm sure sediment or minerals in water would cause a trivial change but probably nothing to be concerned about.

    I actually bought a butane portable bunsen burner and rigged it up so I can use it...
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    I still have my Cona, it makes great coffee...

    I still have my Cona, it makes great coffee however here in high altitude land water boils around 200 F and the brew process using the spirit lamp can cause premature boiling and the stuff can come...
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    Yea I know. My RO unit has a remineralization...

    Yea I know. My RO unit has a remineralization cartridge built in so it adds vital minerals back into the water.

    But I use pour over method so no issues either way with me.
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    Gee Max, our water here is over 12 grains of...

    Gee Max, our water here is over 12 grains of hardness but with a softener and RO the water is great. You better check your equipment.
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    You guys should open an audio thread. I suspect...

    You guys should open an audio thread. I suspect there are quite a few enthusiasts. I used to build kits when I was in High School and speaker enclosures. Don't buy much these days just maintain what...
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    None of these machines are built for heavy duty...

    None of these machines are built for heavy duty use. If you are serious about roasting and selling you will need a semi commercial type machine. The hot top is not that.

    I have a Cafe Gene and...
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    The only negative about the Gene is the chaff...

    The only negative about the Gene is the chaff collector. Unless they have improved it the top part comes flying off if you look at it too long. Other than that you can get pro results with the actual...
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    I have the Gene Cafe and I disagree. First the...

    I have the Gene Cafe and I disagree.

    First the Gene Cafe is totally manual you can alter temp and time on the fly and stop the roast when you want. It cools to the 200 degree range in a couple of...
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    I've been using the Gene cafe since they came out...

    I've been using the Gene cafe since they came out years ago. I'm on my second machine. They are good enough to get a professional result. No real negatives I can think of. The chaff chamber has a...
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    If a pro is doing the roasting the method doesn't...

    If a pro is doing the roasting the method doesn't matter. It's kind of like a guy with a collection of top of the line hones who doesn't have a clue how to use them.
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    The more you take out the less flavor you have...

    The more you take out the less flavor you have left. Some demand every last subtle flavor and you won't get that with paper filters not to mention the paper itself imparts a taste to varying degrees....
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    7.5 grams of coffee per 6 0z cup is the SCAA...

    7.5 grams of coffee per 6 0z cup is the SCAA standard and the water should be between 195-205F. You have to play with the grind depending on the individual coffee.
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    I have some Mara Tarime Peaberry from Tanzania....

    I have some Mara Tarime Peaberry from Tanzania. It makes a very favorable cup.
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    Roast Decaf and you'll never have to worry about...

    Roast Decaf and you'll never have to worry about chaff again-har har.
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    I don't do espresso so I don't know squat about...

    I don't do espresso so I don't know squat about it but in general bitterness is a grinder issue. Assuming you have the correct amount of coffee and the roast is in the city range I'd still play with...
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    Also, keep in mind some coffee is better matched...

    Also, keep in mind some coffee is better matched for espresso than others. Make sure the one you are using is a good match.
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    The only problem with a hand grinder unless you...

    The only problem with a hand grinder unless you have one of those huge commercial jobs is it works too slow and some of the coffee essence evaporates before brewing. Coffee should be ground as fast...
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    It depends what you mean by rock bottom cheap...

    It depends what you mean by rock bottom cheap grinder. You mean one of these rotating blade types? That's rock bottom cheap.

    The problem with those is you get very inconsistent grinds and the heat...
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    Nonsense. Get yourself a roaster where you can...

    Nonsense. Get yourself a roaster where you can attach a flexible dryer vent pipe and put it to a window and a small fan to blow the smoke out and you be in business.

    That's what I've been doing...
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    Don't forget pictures when you get it or we don't...

    Don't forget pictures when you get it or we don't believe you:)

    After weighing beans for many years I got the Vario-W and I'll tell you it's a real convenience.
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    When it comes to coffee roasting the means is...

    When it comes to coffee roasting the means is only limited by your imagination.

    I don't see why an induction plate wouldn't work. As long as the pot heats uniformly and you have good temp control...
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