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i try to keep my angle down as i find it was the first thing that caused irritation for me, but i will pay more attention and see where i get.

the 2 razors i typically use are fairly different, ...

it is a 12k chinese slurry stone.
i don't really count the laps i do on the 4/8k as i more tend to go by the way the bevel looks under the 60x mag compared to what it looked like after the previous...

my technique is far from perfect, but i do tend to pay attention to the pressure i use. on the ATG it just seems like the razor pulls ever so slightly if i don't strop it and only in the really...

ya i guess an underlying question i had was whether there is anything i should change in my honing process that might change this. but for anyone to comment on that you would have to know my honing...

so i can do an ATG but it is sometimes a little too much and the weepers come in. so i remembered someone posting that they have a heavy beard, so they tend to strop again before doing the ATG pass....