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Hi guys
Ok time to buy another razor again... ( really have to stop)
So it's going to be one of the above so which would you go for and why?
Now I will be buying a sampler pack with it also.
I use straights, feather Shavettes and have very mild Weishi safety so need to step up in safety razors
I don't mind aggressiveness as I'm used to taking my time and learning each blade individually anyways.
What do you want this razor to do? The R41 is the most aggressive razor out there. it comes the closest to a straight in results but at the same time you can't plan on a quick shave with one. You really have to take your time and be really careful. The Slant is several degrees tamer than the R41. The 37c is just a standard tame DE.
It's all a matter of what you want.
Guess what we all strive for... A perfect shave lol...
If there is a happy medium in between I'm all ears of course
I haven't shaved with, or even seen, an R41 up close and personal, so I would normally dummy up. From reading descriptions on the 41 I decided to pass. I do prefer straight razor shaving by far, and of the many DEs I've tried, the Merkur slant is my favorite. Either the 137C, or if you like a longer handle, and a slightly heavier razor (the heads are identical) than the 139C. So I can't say anything about the 41, but I can tell you that the slant is great AFAIC.
Gentlemen,
I have tried scores of double edge razors, closed comb to open, vintage to modern, and liked some, not so others for various reasons. The one razor I have really disliked is the Muhle R41, because it is just a mean razor and not worth my Hollywood face.
For the modern, I'll opt for the Edwin Jaggers barley and the Muhle R89, as well as the Merkur Progress.
The Slant used to be considered an aggressive razor. AFAIC it never was. The second gen R41 is the closest to a straight you can purchase -- though you have to get one used. The third gen which you can purchase new is hair more relaxed. Almost as competent as the previous iteration and a lot more forgiving. The Slant, in my opinion, is a curiosity, equalled by many other razors. The current R41 is the best you can currently purchase. But anyone as into shaving as you appear to be must experience the previous version. Shave equal to a straight, with some margin of safety there if you know what you're doing. My 2 cents.
I am the same as Jimmy but in reverse, I have never seen or shaved with a slant. I do use the current version of the Muhle R41 and find it will give a straight a run for it's money. You do have to have good technique with it but if you are used to straights that should be too much of a problem getting used to the current version of the Muhle R41.
Bob
Another vote for the R41, I have the Grande. I purchased it after I started straight shaving and I'm still trying to get my straight shave as close and easy as the R41.
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See this were I get into trouble, I like the idea of the R41 being as aggressive as a straight then EJ Barley or similar that will do the job just as good and "safer"
I bet I'll end up get two of them aarraaaggghhh
If it helps any, I find with any of my milder DEs that the shave will not last as long as with the Muhle R41 current model. So I don't think in that sense, at least for me, that the milder razors will do just as good a job. Safer is a relative thing too and you can cut yourself with a mild razor too, trust me.
No matter what you do you always seem to wind up with more than one of anything. Well, at least I do anyway.
Bob
Thanks Bob appreciate it
Been debating about getting a Merkur slant just to see what all the fuss was about. I guess at some point it is almost inevitable that I will.
Bob
I'm with you on this one....I purchased the Merkur Sledgehammer DE, heard it was the closest to a straight, and frankly, I didn't really notice much, if any difference between it and my Gillette Aristocrat. If anything, I found upping the setting on my FatBoy I could get a more aggressive shave. Either way, I get varying degrees of neck irritation with a DE that I never get with a straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcb01
Keep in mind you don't have to couple the R41 with the "sharpest" or most "aggressive" blade. I use Wilkinson with mine, I'll try a feather out some day but for now I'm quite happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossafumi
I love the Merkur slant. It is one of my go to DE's. Its all about what works for you. Buy them both an try them. What you don't want push off on one of us poor addicts.:rofl2:
Just a quick update.... I don't know why or how it happened but I ended up just buying EJ DE89L and a set of sample pack blades... I believe its a nice razor...
Comes highly recommended by a lot of people so you should be good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossafumi
Bob
Thanks Bob...
there is plenty of room in the cabinet for more new editions later on in the year #next month
I have an R41 coming to me in a Pass sometime soon. I am mystifyed about the love/hate associated with this razor and will report first impressions.
You are going to need that room. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossafumi
Bob
as was i..... please do as it probably find it way into the cabinet at some pointQuote:
Originally Posted by MisterMoo
Can you find out which of the 3 versions you are getting? They made changes to the head and top plate IIRC as they went but still called it the R41. I can't recall which was the most aggressive version off hand but I have the 2013 version which is the tamest one. Put in a Feather blade to see what it is all about.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterMoo
Bob
I've been learning to shave with a traditional S.R. for the past couple of months. I also shave with the Feather Artisan shavette style straight razor.
Before I began my S.R. Journey I shaved with Merkur 39C, both 2011 and 2013 R41's. I get great shaves with my traditional SR. But there not as BBS as my R41 three pass shaves.
The biggest problem with a S.R. for me is doing a three pass shave and getting under my jawline ATG . It's difficult to get the blade in the proper position without cutting yourself. The point of a S.R. Will bite you quickly.
The point on the Feather Artisan isn't sharp like the point on a traditional S.R. I get can a BBS shave comparable To the R41 with this razor.
If you want to learn S.R. Shaving further down the road I suggest yo try a 2013 R41. This will get you accustomed to the aggressive cutting style of a traditional SR.
Learning to shave with a S.R. is an acquired learning skill. Learning to set bevels, hone, and strop is a very rewarding experience for me. Much more than shaving with a D.E. style razor.
I thought the 2011 version was the most aggressive ? could be wrong though
2014 i have heard much about TBH
I started my SR shaving about 7months ago.. started with a cheap nasty shavette just to see if i had the patience to learn the carftQuote:
Originally Posted by feltspanky
Turns out i really liked it... bought Feather SS , honed my skills better, bought Dovo classic and Dovo Astrial plus stops etc ... then aquired a Weishi saftery razor and found it easier like you to finish under the jaw line ATG with a safety.
The hardest part of shaving is trying to figure out what weapon to use... as i really like using them all.
Ain't that the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossafumi
Bob
The 2011 R41 is the most aggressive modern DE style razor. There very difficult to find and sell for a premium price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossafumi
Is this a matter of close physical examination or are there mold marks that spell out which is which?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
You would have to do a net search to find out what the differences are. IIRC the difference between the 2011 and 2013 model is that the top plate on the 2013 model is slightly wider exposing slightly less blade.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterMoo
Bob
Quote Originally Posted by sienarot View Post
How do you tell the difference between the 2011 and 2013?
Some preliminary search results from google:
Here are the dimensions and weights per my digital scale and digital calipers.
Cap Weight 2011: 11 grams
Cap Weight 2013: 13 grams
Cap Height 2011: 41.18 mm
Cap Height 2013: 42.04 mm
Cap Width 2011: 18.54 mm
Cap Width 2013: 19.89 mm
Baseplate Weight 2011: 15 grams
Baseplate Weight 2013: 16 grams
Baseplate Height 2011: 41.26 mm
Baseplate Height 2013: 42.23 mm
Baseplate Width 2011: 24.99 mm
Baseplate Width 2013: 25.20 mm
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...41-new-version
Mystified is the perfect word. For his very first shave my son, then 15, picked up an R41 loaded with a new Feather off my sink (without asking me) and got an excellent shave with no red stuff. Yet there are very experienced people who have trouble with it. Mystery indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterMoo
Took delivery of EJ DE89L this morning, what a stunning razor..... cant wait to get come and give it a go.
Now what blade to use.
Derby
Astra
Feather
Bic
Wilkinsons to name a few...
No point in starting a new thread really..
What a great shaver that EJ is... used the 7 O'clock blade and it was great.. still BBS the next day whereby normally i have light stubble. Love it!!!
