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hi guys,
I have a question about technique/recommendations to make my life easier, the problem is my beard grows completely to the right on most of my neck, I have no problem to shave my face and upper neck but the lower neck is always a pain the ass since I haven't found the correct angle to finish it without looking like a contortionist.
sorry about the small picture didn't find a way to make it bigger on the post
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I have a similar pattern of growth, and getting a close shave there is an ongoing project. Things that I've found which help are -
- a scything stroke. (I use my left hand for the right side and vice versa, with the blade edge upward)
- stretching from the side, to tighten the skin over the hollow to the side of the Adam's apple.
- pulling a face like Hector Salamanca:
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HTH! :)
This may sound like a less than satisfactory rookie reply, because I'm fairly newish and my growth pattern is as bad if not a little more confusing to shave, but I just pull my skin as tight as I can moving where I pull from as I go up or down my neck depending on what pass I'm on. I am still learning the best position my hand should be in. In my opinion if your hand isn't comfortable, it's probably in the wrong position. On the bright side, each shave has more and more of my neck and lip areas smooth as silk. I have this swirl pattern on my neck that gives me fits as to what direction to attack from. In that case I've found it is in ALL directions. Like caulking can hide a multitude of construction errors, a well honed razor takes care of a multitude of hair patterns.
it looks like your skin is new to straight razor shaving and is not quite acclimated. What if this were my neck? Well I would first not shave for a couple of days and let the area heal. Why I'm doing this I would carefully examine my razor and most likely rehone it. (test bevel; 1K if needed, 4/5K then 8K then 10/12K then Crox paste/Zulu/Jnat/Escher then 100X leather) Then in shave prep I would use Proraso Pre-Shave or Shaving oil or olive oil after the shower in this area. Then make an Uber lather (cream, soap, glycerine) and brush it in real well. This would be the first area I shave, for now. Make sure my fingers where dry and stretch small areas (this is really key) and shave those areas XTG (in your case North to South) in short light strokes (this is also key). Since you are growing sideways that makes true WTG and true ATG a bit problematic, for now. Perhaps a 45 degree might work as well. I would use very light 30 degree scything strokes. Look at YouTube videos and our Wiki about scything strokes and look at videos when barbers shave someone and notice their small strokes. Don't try to cover a large area in one large swath and don't push it. At the moment of tug or irritation stop immediately and regroup. An alum block then sensitive skin balm would be good post shave treatment.
You will not likely nail it the first time but if you do these things you will see improvement every time.
thanks for the info I'll try tonight except the honing part since I don't own a hone, I'm planning on getting one soon.
the cut I have was caused by a question from my wife... you might wonder how that is possible, she asked something I said no and instinctively moved my head just enough to get a small cut...
Well, your solution is right there - get your wife to shave that bit :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by amanuense
I'm fairly new to this also and take some inspiration from your post. There are a couple of briar patches low down on my neck where I've been having trouble. What's helped me out is taking very careful note of the grain direction and using short strokes, sometimes very short, adapting the direction as I go to make sure I do a good WTG beard reduction first. I've tried powering through and it just doesn't work XTG or ATG first time for me (also like 1holegrouper suggests I think my honing and stopping leaves something to be desired...). I also found it helpful to only have a very light lather, almost see through, on tough bits so the direction can be noted while I learn.
Roll on muscle memory...
You'll need to focus on mapping your growth pattern. For me I find the ATG is a huge help on those tough areas..my neck hair seems to almost grow sideways all across my neck. The ATG seems to work for me to get rid of those pesky problem spots but it took some time. Part of the fun of all this business is experimenting and finding what works for you :)
Across the entire area under my chin, my beard grows from left to right. I've found that using angled passes rather than trying to truly go with and against the grain (upper left to bottom right for WTG, straight up for XTG, and lower right to upper left for ATG) have given me the best results.
you dont have to strife for a BBS neck, just a nice comfortable shave. i think most people have patches on their neck were they just say stuff it.
amanuense,
Hydrate your beard well so that it is nice and soft. Lather well. Use sharp and well-stropped razor. Raise the spine of the razor to just enough angle to cleanly catch and cut the whiskers, but USE FEATHER-LIGHT PRESSURE. Gently stretch small sections of your skin. Ignore beard growth pattern and shave in the most convenient direction.
Jeff
+1 I do the exact same thing. From my chin down to my Adam's apple my beard grows from left to right. Have not found a way yet to get it with the straight. I use a DE razor and can get it acceptable. I don't like going ATG with either the straight or DE. Too much irritation no matter what. Usually just a N to S pass and a little XTG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt69
On the Adam's apple and either side of it just a S to N pass just as stated above. If I try to do a N to S ATG pass I get irritation and ingrown hairs no matter how good the razor edge, face prep, or light touch.
I have a similar problem with my neck, the right side grows to the right and left to the left and the corners of my mouth and chin growing mostly in a 45 degree angle from center.
One of the solutions I have found is beard reduction, shaving straight down and straight up to reduce as much of the beard in these areas. This is where edge preparation really pays big dividends and allows me to make several passes without irritation. I do 2 passes with heavy lather WTG, 1 ATG, straight up, 1Across the grain and final ATG of the problem areas.
My final pass is with water against the grain with skin stretching in these problem areas. There is some contortion involved and you will have to figure out what combination works for you.
I don’t shave like this daily, usually it is 1WTG, 1ATG and 1 ATG in problem areas.
I would recommend a very keen razor, pasted for comfort. I like a .10 CBN or a well stropped Translucent or Black Arkansas edge. Strop your razor well and experiment with some paste and find a routine that works for you. Good soap helps, I like creams as opposed to hard soaps.
If you would like to PM me, I would be happy to put a .10 edge on a razor for you, so you can see what is possible.
I feel your pain.
Marty
One thing to keep in mind while stretching your skin is the direction your are stretching it. If you are stretching the skin WTG, you're actually flattening the hairs/stubble against the skin, be it ever so slightly. If you stretch ATG, you're lifting the hair/stubble from the skin, allowing the edge of the razor to do it's job more easily and requiring less pressure (not that you should be using a lot to begin with) and fewer strokes.
