Thread: ?? John Elliot Best Silver Steel Knowledge please

Need help who knows much about John Elliott's Best Silver Steel Razor? I have one on the way and know absolutely nothing about this manufacturer. I do know it's a Sheffield. Anyone know how old it may be? Anyone have a similar one? Thank you in advance for any assistance you can give. I am looking forward to restoring it and adding it to my collection.

Voidmonster is your man on that. I've owned these in the past. I do not care for that profile but thats me. I saw a similar Roberts Warranted one like it today

I got this page for you but have to go eat. It's a start :<0)

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Originally Posted by 10Pups

I got this page for you but have to go eat. It's a start :<0)

Category:Straight Razor Database - Straight Razor Place Library

I did not see anything about this razor in the database. It has Joseph Elliot but not John Elliot

Sorry I didn't poke my head in here sooner, but I've been zooming down the migraine highway today and thus my ability to look at a glowing screen has been, shall we say, diminished...

That looks very much to my eye like it's got a V R crown on it, which places it after 1837 and before 1858 when John Elliot died.

IMHO, it's probably 1840-1850.

That style grind has a number of different names, some of which depend on whether or not that secondary hollowed 'groove' is on both sides. I'm partial to them, myself.

As for John Elliot, he was born in 1795, and operated in partnership with Joseph Elliot and might possibly have been related (it sure seems likely, but concrete answers are hard to come by on that front).

He doesn't show up in the apprentice registers (under either spelling of Elliot -- it was sometimes Elliott, which makes tracing things a bit dicey).

Unfortunately, John Elliot is just, in general, a challenge to research. The 1833 edition of White's directory lists:

• John Elliot - Razor Manufacturer, H. 46 Meadow Street
• John & Joseph Elliot - Razor Manufacturers, 65 Hollis Croft

There are numerous others listed as well, but chances are good that the guy who made razors wasn't also a butcher. But he may have also been a steel refiner.

It's complicated and poorly documented.

Considering the number of Joseph Elliot razors I've seen with the same design features, I think it's safe to say that was made during their partnership. I can't really tell you why he would make razors under his own name and with his partner (and possible relative), but it was definitely something that was done by others.

Originally Posted by Gonzo4str8rzrs

I did not see anything about this razor in the database. It has Joseph Elliot but not John Elliot

Hard for me to read when I am hungry sorry :<0)

Originally Posted by Voidmonster

Sorry I didn't poke my head in here sooner, but I've been zooming down the migraine highway today and thus my ability to look at a glowing screen has been, shall we say, diminished...

That looks very much to my eye like it's got a V R crown on it, which places it after 1837 and before 1858 when John Elliot died.

IMHO, it's probably 1840-1850.

That style grind has a number of different names, some of which depend on whether or not that secondary hollowed 'groove' is on both sides. I'm partial to them, myself.

As for John Elliot, he was born in 1795, and operated in partnership with Joseph Elliot and might possibly have been related (it sure seems likely, but concrete answers are hard to come by on that front).

He doesn't show up in the apprentice registers (under either spelling of Elliot -- it was sometimes Elliott, which makes tracing things a bit dicey).

Unfortunately, John Elliot is just, in general, a challenge to research. The 1833 edition of White's directory lists:

• John Elliot - Razor Manufacturer, H. 46 Meadow Street
• John & Joseph Elliot - Razor Manufacturers, 65 Hollis Croft

There are numerous others listed as well, but chances are good that the guy who made razors wasn't also a butcher. But he may have also been a steel refiner.

It's complicated and poorly documented.

Considering the number of Joseph Elliot razors I've seen with the same design features, I think it's safe to say that was made during their partnership. I can't really tell you why he would make razors under his own name and with his partner (and possible relative), but it was definitely something that was done by others.

Great history behind it. Thank you much for sharing with all of us.

Finally finished my restore of this old beast. Used Cocobola for scales, and a birch wedge. Two different size brass washers and brass rod.

All I have is in my Goins Encyclopedia, John Elliot's Celebrated Razor 1850-1875

She cleaned up well for her age. Love those coco scales too!