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I see a disturbing trend and that is to privately chase new members away either by ganging up on members by other members or by private message bullying.
It's great that there is a core group of long time members who know each other but it's not so great when they back each other up when one engages in poor behavior towards another.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but I don't read all that much. Regardless, I'd suggest reporting the relevant posts and/or PM's so mods can have all the information.
I believe I know what you are talking about but believe you have it bass ackwards as to who the supposed initial victim of bad behavior was.
Bob
It's not just one person and one incidence. There are several who are usually involved in the bad behavior however.
I am going to try ONCE
@gcbryan
You are a minimalist, there are many others like you on this forum, they however tend to come here gain the knowledge they need to shave and then we don't hear from them all that often until they need help from us Hobbyists
Most of the people that post often on here are Hobbyists, and are way farther down the rabbit hole than simply shaving
Anyone of us can use a Norton 4/8 and 2 razors with a strop and shave for the rest of our lives with little else
That however bores us so we push the limits
Now there is nothing wrong with being a minimalist but you seems to have this notion that we all need to agree with your ideas
It isn't that you are "Wrong" it is that you are unwilling to accept that there are levels above where you have reached
I have never seen what you claim here, I have only seen you get bent sideways with members that try and explain there is a Hobby here too..
PS: As a Senior Mod I see all the posts, yes even the ones that get deleted :)
There is nothing wrong with making your Minimalist suggestions, but there is a problem with you not liking that most don't agree with you, and your incessant attacks against them
That is me being honest and direct, that is all I can be
That's an interesting point of view but I'm not referring to me (I'm not a new member) and I have never had any issue with someone not being convinced by me or with any other point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
I'm not intolerant nor am I a hothead.
Your characterization that I get "bent sideway" may indicate that you aren't especially impartial, senior moderator or not.
I am NOT impartial in the least,,, I am tired of reading all of the Reports on your posts, that is the trend I am noticingQuote:
Originally Posted by gcbryan
I figured an honest response might get you to realize that there is a trend and it is being caused by your posts
Why don't you share the nature of the reports? You are right, you are obviously not being impartial. That might be part of the problem here. Why are you not upset with the people filing those reports?Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
A new guy asked if honing was very difficult. I said that there is a learning curve but that it's not hard. Is that a valid opinion to express?
I was accused by some of "bragging" because I said that? One member said I probably could not even hone and that his 6 month old granddaughter could hone better than I? As I recall, several members "liked" that post.
I guess you didn't notice this? These, apparently, are the same people reporting me. If there was anything to this, why wasn't I contacted?
Why are you attacking me when I started a thread to alert others that a bad trend is developing here? Why so defensive?
There was a recent new member here who left after he received a PM from another member telling him that all the senior members and mentors had put him on an ignore list. He was told that no one would listen to him anymore and that only new members would listen to him and that soon they would not listen either.
He was warned to change or leave basically. He didn't need the stress in his life and left.
Do you still insist that there is no problem? Are you OK with bullying?
I bring up a problem, in the correct forum, and your response is to have a problem with me. Nice.
So this thread was actually as I said about YOU and your feelings not any alleged Trend
I would suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror after you stop digging
No, this thread was about the member who recently left after I tried to get him to stay and after he shared his PM bullying with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
You haven't addressed any issues raised and have only attacked the messenger while producing no facts of your own. Again, why so defensive? Does, Vendor, Senor Moderator mean attack dog for the forum?
I explained what your problem was
You simply have decided that "Everyone" is against you, which honestly seems to be true, but that could mean that everyone else is picking on you for no reason, or perhaps you might want to look at what you are doing to cause it
I am trying to help you here but you refuse to even consider that, you are a long time member which is the only reason why I am even attempting to explain that the problem is you..
You really might want to consider that you are causing your own Trend here...
I log on several times a day probably, mostly, and sometimes not. I must admit that I do not read all the posts and mostly only what interests me at the moment. With the help and information I have gleaned from this site I have progressed from a beginner to a somewhat proficient straight razor shaver and honer. At least to my standards anyway. In saying all that, I have not seen anything at all to what you seem to be professing. I have found in the several years I have been on this site that pretty much all of the people here have been most helpful and polite in their dealings with myself and others. In some cases, some may not have very been tactful or eloquent in their responses but I can maybe count that on one hand. This forum is one of the best moderated forums I have been a part of and I appreciate the efforts of all the moderators, pat on back to you people, and my thanks to you guys.
See now you crossed a line in the post I just deleted
Don't call out other members, this seems to be an issue for you
That is a real Warning as a Senior Mod now
I think that it is important to help guys that want to learn what we do on this forum. I dislike when problems unrelated to the purpose of this forum are thrown into the mix for no other purpose than to show "what a good guy I am and you are chasing people away."
I have not seen any evidence of the complained trend. Admittedly I have not seen every post or response written. But I have seen members extend patience and courtesy of greater measure than the "Trend" herein complained.
My two coppers worth:
I can't speak to anything that was present for other individuals. I have however been welcomed warmly. The pm messages I have received do show this continued niceness. I appreciate everything this community brings to my day and the diversity of people here.
I find that all social platforms bring out the best and the worst in people. And more often than not forum groups always have a dynamic of elitism. My thoughts as one of the new guys here is sometimes we fly off. It really is our responsibility to own it and simply say sorry. Arguments won amongst friends usually loses the friend. I consider you guys online friends/acquaintances and would hope if I said something hurtful, right or wrong, would be willing to apologize.
Most of the senior people here have known each other for many years, many of them are friends in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcbryan
If you pull open a can of insults and pour it in public over one of most senior members who has put over a decade of his life into helping this community, then many will just put you on their personal 'ignore' list.
Thanks guys. Now we know.
Forward...
:tu
Now, I have not personally experienced it, not saying that it does or does not happen, I won't be the judge of that
I don't see people ganging up on here, there are people with some opinions that are wary against different opinions, but that's everywhere
The eye of the beholder n'at
It's mostly a subjective matter in how people deal with things, reactions, situations; then again if serious threats are made that's another thing, even then don't take it too seriously, the internet is serious business n'at
Things are what you make from them
My personal experience has been great, good advice, open for questions, a lot of helpful guys; if I don't like something or someone, I ignore and avoid it/them, seems to be the best way (there's always those few everywhere and in every aspect of life, that's just how it is)
On the internetz: never get into a pissing contest, don't get offended and do not feed the trollz
I have followed this and stayed away, but I think I have a unique point of view on this.
I have been a member , a Mod, and a Senior Mod...now just a member again. I have seen when all the reported posts come in and why. Most are justified and some are just from members that over-react or that they just don't like the op of that particular post.
The biggest thing in these forums is that there are "many ways to skin a cat" and sometimes we think our way is the "only" way. Here lies the under belly of when things get warped. If there is an individual that is only seeing his way, people start sneering and avoiding.
Like anything in life, not everyone agrees with everyone and not everyone gets along. I do things that some here would do differently, so I never push it. There are many here who have many years of experience and testing, thus I have tremendous respect for their ways. That doesn't mean i always do it their way.
For places like this to be at their best, we need tolerance and that respect.
The payoff is HUGE. It has been for me.
Let's turn the page, move on and learn from each other.
As a relative newbie I would like to offer that I have experienced nothing but good humour, generously offered support and great advice from the members of SRP who have vastly more experience than I.
I havre found no other source of information on wet shaving in general and anything specifically associated with straight razors that offers anything close to the depth and volume of what can be found here either in the archives of previous posts or the collective memory and experience of the mentors and long serving senior members.
The discussions that occur when differing perspectives on a topic are voiced are important and engaging and, from my perspective, have always been measured and gentlemanly and sprinkled with levity. They have been fun to read.
I feel fortunate to have found SRP and point anyone I meet who has an interest in wet shaving to it.
No need for me to chime in on this, but I wanted to say that my experience here has been stellar. I have learned may things from many guys. Some slightly divergent views than my own, but always respectful, if a bit pointed. I have also received very generous offers of help from people that are virtual strangers. I do not, nor have I ever felt bullied or abused. The mods here have been very professional and the members have been absolute joys in 9/10 of the discussions that I have entered.
I too have held back from this thread but I'd like to make something clear. This forum consists of individuals. We don't always agree. It would be boring if we did. Differing opinions are welcome here and it is fine when one member disagrees with another. What isn't fine is when those disagreements lose basic civility.
You can disagree with me. You can tell me I'm wrong. Ideally you would explain how or why I am wrong. What you should not do in a moderated forum like this one is to insult me or make personal attacks. If you do, I will try not to respond in kind, but I have a temper. So do a lot of us and sometimes problems arise here because of that.
Again, we don't always have to agree, but when we disagree we need to be civil about it.
Now, what about this supposed "trend?" In my opinion the trigger for this current discussion was HERE.
Now was that civil? Nope.
I pointed out what I thought was wrong in the thread and then I chose to disengage. It takes two (or more) people to have an argument and I saw no point in it. I decided to make an addition to my "ignore list," only the 4th time I have done this. Clearly others chose to do the same. Was this a trend? Maybe, but that likely was because others were annoyed by what was said in that thread too.
Oh well. This is a forum. Not everyone has to engage with everyone in it. That's not a trend. That's the way it's always been. We just have to be civil with each other and when we are not, that is why we have moderators to police the place. Let's all keep trying to make their "job" easier.
I think this covers it....
There was no "trend", only an attempt at trolling, or at best rudeness, which will not be tolerated.
In this case thread closure should be considered a warning.