So I bought some soap from the Sundance Soapery. It's made with goat milk. Lovely smell, I was excited because I really dig the smell. It's a great soap, but it is not a shaving soap. It is very deceiving, it makes great lather, but by the time I put the brush down and picked up my razor... It disappeared. There was only traces of where I had lathered it up on my face. This was my experience, I'm very new to this, maybe it's my pre-shave prep. Maybe it's my brush or the water coming out of the faucet. I just put it in the shower and it is a great showering soap.... Just not for shaving. And I don't know but I think this Lil hobby is not for me.... That's why I went inexpensive. I haven't totally given up yet but it's princely coming down to that.