I hate bananas, always have done. Every one tells me that they're great and every once in a while I'll try one just to check and every time I check I realise I hate bananas. Same with MWF, everyone in the world says it's the dog's danglies. But I can't get a decent lather out of it, hard water, soft water, cold, warm or hot water. I've face lathered, bowl lathered and hand lathered, but the results are at best mediocre. Once after 15 minutes of whipping up I got a passable shave with My DE, tried it with my straight and nearly took my face of. I've had better shaves with an olive oil and clay monstrosity that someone got me for Christmas. What am I missing?