How would you treat this leather to make a strop?

I got some English natural veg tan leather belt blank 3inch wide and 2.8-3mm thick to make some strops (one with chromium oxide and one without). Most of the leather is nice and uniformly even but this bit isn't:

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Its kind of twisted and feels firmly so. At this point in time I am not sure which way to go with the twisted piece but I'd like to go with which ever direction gives me the most stable flattest strop.

What would you say that would be? To try and flatten and use as a hanging strop or to see if I can glue it flat to a piece of level wood? Or something else?

I have no special knowledge of leather, but having it pressed flat under some weight when it is wet and allowing it to dry when it is held flat might help. If you glue it to a board, I would put a lot of weight on top of it while the glue is drying. Cutting it into shorter pieces might also allow it to lay more flat. It appears the twist may be in the middle of the piece, so maybe remove that part. Keep in mind all you have to lose is a twisted piece of leather. I wonder if the tanning process left you with a problem that will be difficult to remedy no matter what.

Thanks I may give that a go on the twisted part.

Not sure about the leather you have got, but wetting veg-tan usually makes it harder - they use that process for moulding it into knife sheaths and holsters. I would think the addition of oils, like you find with saddle soap, would help keep it pliable, but it will darken a lot and alter the surface dramatically. I usually just throw away anything twisted like that.

Regards,
Neil

Ah OK. You seem to have likes on your side too so maybe that is the way. I've just visited because I was about to ask the seller this question and wanted the url. I will report any advise they give as they seem to specialise in leather on ebay.

I can't speak for others but for myself, when Neil speaks, I listen and I listen very well!! He is a wealth of knowledge!! :bow

He's also a great guy! :tu

If you haven't read it already, you may find this very interesting!!

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I'm w/ Cudarunner.

Ah OK. I'm still new to the site and have yet to learn who the 'good posters' are :)

Pity the ebay seller never replied all the same :(

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Originally Posted by cudarunner

I can't speak for others but for myself, when Neil speaks, I listen and I listen very well!! He is a wealth of knowledge!! :bow

He's also a great guy! :tu

If you haven't read it already, you may find this very interesting!!

Straight Razor Place - Conversation with Neil Miller

Sanfte Rasur, mein Klingenbruder!

(Smooth Shaving My Brother In Blades)

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As I've said in a previous post regarding Neil, I love to see someone love what they are doing. The result, I feel, shows pride in their work and there is just a lack of that these days.

I come from a family where all the men were trades/craftsmen. None of it mattered a great deal when I was growing up so little was passed on (see Newcastle in the 1980's). My father and his generation are really quite good with their hands. Me, well my wife has an ambulance on standby every time I get a screw driver out :)

This gives me a new appreciation for the man, it really does. At the risk of offending others who offer the same services, I don't trust anyone else with my blades and I'm in love with my "starter" strop.

Thanks for this post cudarunner.

I'll offer a differing opinion. I wouldn't do anything to the leather if it's clean and smooth. Here's what I would do. I would clamp it to something (where the hardware would be) or fit it to something and for a couple of weeks, I would strop a razor on it 50 strokes each day - a different one that I was shaving with. A couple of weeks or a month of that will tell you what direction it's going. Once the surface is broken in a little bit, then you can try a strop on it with your razor.

Leave it hanging vertically so that it's not collecting any dust (which would throw off your perception) when you're not conditioning it.

I have never been a fan of overtreating leather for strops, you never know if you're helping the strop and change should be incremental if you make it, and not drastic.

IF you do that and it doesn't work out, then you can use a marking knife or some stout sharp knife against a straight edge and cut it and glue it smooth side up to a board. Personally, I prefer an even layer of liquid hide glue and significant clamping pressure where the leather is glued to a board and another is clamped right on top of it to distribute the force of the clamps. I've done that with horse butt and veg tanned cowhide and both have turned out great.

And to my point about not treating yet, my best strop is a piece of smooth horse butt about 2 feet long. It was rough at first (silica or whatever in the horse butt strips) but has settled in to a sheen that is near reflective and that does a great job. I used the same routine as I mentioned above. It has been my daily strop now for two years, and is better performing than any purchased strop I've had, despite the fact that it has never been treated with anything.

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Originally Posted by DaveW

I'll offer a differing opinion. I wouldn't do anything to the leather if it's clean and smooth. Here's what I would do. I would clamp it to something (where the hardware would be) or fit it to something and for a couple of weeks, I would strop a razor on it 50 strokes each day - a different one that I was shaving with. A couple of weeks or a month of that will tell you what direction it's going. Once the surface is broken in a little bit, then you can try a strop on it with your razor.

Leave it hanging vertically so that it's not collecting any dust (which would throw off your perception) when you're not conditioning it.

I have never been a fan of overtreating leather for strops, you never know if you're helping the strop and change should be incremental if you make it, and not drastic.

IF you do that and it doesn't work out, then you can use a marking knife or some stout sharp knife against a straight edge and cut it and glue it smooth side up to a board. Personally, I prefer an even layer of liquid hide glue and significant clamping pressure where the leather is glued to a board and another is clamped right on top of it to distribute the force of the clamps. I've done that with horse butt and veg tanned cowhide and both have turned out great.

And to my point about not treating yet, my best strop is a piece of smooth horse butt about 2 feet long. It was rough at first (silica or whatever in the horse butt strips) but has settled in to a sheen that is near reflective and that does a great job. I used the same routine as I mentioned above. It has been my daily strop now for two years, and is better performing than any purchased strop I've had, despite the fact that it has never been treated with anything.

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Hi the reason I was asking was because I have no clue. I haven't yet shaved or stropped a straight so this is all an attempt to get a basic set up, but one that has as few 'problems' as possible, to help me on my way to a better understanding. I do have it still hanging and would much prefer to have it nice and straight for my first stropping. Then if anything went wrong I'd know it was my technique rather than the strop.

[QUOTE=cudarunner;1251927]I can't speak for others but for myself, when Neil speaks, I listen and I listen very well!! He is a wealth of knowledge!! :bow

He's also a great guy! :tu

If you haven't read it already, you may find this very interesting!!

Straight Razor Place - Conversation with Neil Miller

Sanfte Rasur, mein Klingenbruder!

Or this thread, in case you were not sure about the advice given. Beginning with Thread 18.

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Hi the reason I was asking was because I have no clue. I haven't yet shaved or stropped a straight so this is all an attempt to get a basic set up, but one that has as few 'problems' as possible, to help me on my way to a better understanding. I do have it still hanging and would much prefer to have it nice and straight for my first stropping. Then if anything went wrong I'd know it was my technique rather than the strop.

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Put it between two boards and clamp it tight for a long time. I don't know if you have the materials to do that, but you'd need a lot of clamping pressure, and the boards need to be smooth and clean so you don't leave anything in the leather.

You never know what you're going to get with something like this until you take a whack at it. I certainly wouldn't discard it, and at this point, i wouldn't even cut it - and wouldn't treat it with anything, either. Just keep it from getting wet and don't leave it on a furnace grate.

Neil and others have more obligations when making a strop than do you or I - theirs have to be cosmetically acceptable for sale and functional at the same time. Yours just has to be functional, and not everything that isn't suitable for neil would be unsuitable for the rest of us. I have dabbled with various types of plain leather as well as horween shell, so I'm not motivating you to work with junk. I think quite a bit of a strops virtue is in proper use and in burnishing the leather, at least if keenness and longevity of the razor is key.

As I mentioned above, I use a piece of inexpensive horse butt, it hasn't been treated with anything since the tanner and the virtue of the wear was enough that I had no interest in breaking in a kanayama I got a year or two ago, and sold that (a kanayama 80k, at that, the settled in horse butt does a better job and is harder and more similar to what new horween shell feels like). The only thing that matches the broken in horse butt (which is a cheap feeling hard leather when it's new, and it's abrasive and slick) is the horween shell, but the horse butt gets better over time, and the treatment wears off of the horween. There is a significant cost difference between a horween shell and a horse butt strip, though - and the horween is ready right away. (a single shell cost me $225 with shipping)

I cannot recall who I was discussing the horse butt strip with, but it may have been neil, and he or someone else rightly described it as a hard and cheap or cheap feeling leather. It's issue is that it needs a break-in routine that a strop maker is not going to be able swing economically, along with the fact that a lot of horse butt strips just don't have a very good run or runs of clear wrinkle-free smooth leather.

As an end user playing with your own time and not worrying about economic value of your strop, you can make something of that if you want to. You don't have horse butt, so the situation won't be the same, but you can break it in if you'd like, or compress it if you'd like, and do all kinds of things that are not difficult but would never be viable for a commercial maker.

My recommendation is the same as dave. It is warped as it is holding its form. If you break it in enough that it is limp it will no longer hold form and be flat enough to be usable. Will probably take a bit though. Good luck. Ed