As always Neil,I very Rarely understand what you are talking about,have a nice day:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
As always Neil,I very Rarely understand what you are talking about,have a nice day:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
Just got home from work Neil and Wow! Really got under your skin! Sorry if your self-esteem took a hit. I would like to touch on just a few points. First, as much as a layman, i.e., myself, can grasp Plastic Flow Theory, I had it explained to me by a friend who is a tenured Professor at a local University. What does he teach - metallurgy, at the graduate level. Second, my "friend", as you referred to the author of the article I mentioned, is not my friend, probably would be if I ever met him, but I haven't. He performs metallurgy research/experiments at a university. Neil, do you really believe that you have anything to offer him about methodology? Tell him your Groucho joke instead. At least you'll make him laugh and it won't be at your expense. Your crack about the machinists; not good Neil. Why does a machinist need to know the science of metallurgy to be a great machinist? He knows, because he was educated to do so, that waiting 24 hrs. is the correct way to do it. He doesn't need to be able to explain the science behind it. Cheap shot Neil. Really dumb question. I imagine in your mind you're smarter than the professor teaching graduate level classes in metallurgy, and the other fellow who is a university research fellow that wrote the article I referred to above; that's okay with me as long as you're happy. Oh one other thing - it doesn't matter whether you can "feel" the difference, it is whether the science behind it is correct and whether stropping before and after the shave is beneficial to the edge. Just remember Neil, this straight razor thing is just a hobby for most of us. I think for you it's a bit more. I did enjoy reading your post. Cheers, Joe P.S. The alien insult thing, that one has been way overused. I'll give you the last word. :)
Unsubribed from this thread,to many endall/beall so called Quasi experts here.
Let's keep it friendly guys. It is just a shaving forum.... no nuclear weapons being developed here. :angel:
Hitting the 'enter' key (A.K.A. the 'return key') every so often breaks up the text and makes it easier to read longer posts. Just saying ....... :shrug:
I almost feel like I should apologize for what happened here.
Well-said, Jimmy! (as usual!)Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
What Wildfirejoe and Pixel are missing is this, IMO.
Neil Miller is a highly intelligent individual. Well-learned and to the vast extent, I have observed, self-educated by much hard work into the written word. Not speaking Google here.
He not only has impeccable punctuation (usually! :p), but is more-read than I suspect any one of us is. Furthermore, he is a razor fiend as we all are. In his country, the written word gleans the history of metallurgy and, among a myriad of other things, open razors. Modern experts spew forth many newly discovered secrets and miracles, it would astound most here to know these things were also done long ago in, sometimes, more accurate and well-documented procedures. Neil has studied these things and knows that claims are just what they are. Claims. Experts and adverts have made claims forever.
Let's not discount the word of those who know history and especially that which pertains to razors. The olden days of straight razors lasted for hundreds of years. Today's fad is but decades. Too often we repeat words of others in our razor references. These words should be as in stone. Substantiated by reputation first. Mine come from people like Neil and my astute friends here. Neil has gleaned a trove of knowledge by digging the old-fashioned way. He has a true love of research and victory in the pursuit. He has forgotten more about razors than we should ever know, I am afraid!
Finally in this blushing tribute to the old crass bastard, I feel we are fortunate to be able to banter with him(although I gave that up long ago).
Understanding English humor and wit is also helpful! ;)
Point is: Joe and Bill, Neil is your friend. Our friend. With him, it's a jolly old tyme, or be damned!
Get it on!:D
No worries! You are part of the mayhem! :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Augustagj
So this guy walks into a barbershop.......
And now a word from the Poet Laureate of the 20th century (AT LEAST IN MY OPINION!!!...)
ROBERT ZIMMERMAN aka BOB DYLAN:
"It’s a restless hungry feeling
That don’t mean no one no good
When ev’rything I’m a-sayin’
You can say it just as good.
You’re right from your side
I’m right from mine
We’re both just one too many mornings
An’ a thousand miles behind"
Did I mention I have my own barbershop? I thought I may have covered everything! :roflmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by WW243
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Good God, Tom, what don't you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
I don't have squat, Richard, If I don't have friends putting up with one another. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Razorfeld
Big fun!
He doesn't have tired razors that need rest. Boom boom. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorfeld
You know you have a problem as, when you take up a strop, the razors all start barking! :rolleyes: Ker-thumpQuote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
When I was choosing my soap of the day all my brush did a chorus line dance trying to curry my favor. Crash, bang.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
Yes, some soaps are gettin' a little long in the tooth!Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorfeld
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Boom BooM, shizzzzzzzzz
The poor OP just wanted to know if he should strop or not after shaving.
I vote no, unless you want to strop.
Nothing poor about the OP! Stropping is a good thing. Strop often, and prosper!
So this is what happens when folks take a vow to stay of Eboy for the month of March...:rofl2:
What? Stay off the Fleabay? I did not know! :p This is par for the course! :rofl2:
I am speechless, almost. On second thought...oh never mind. I have to go put my razor to bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
What rubbish. Grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildfirejoe00
Neil
Neil, While you're there ask the storeman for a long weight and some sky hooks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
They have been added to todays list Rob, along with four candles and some 'ose. Unfortunately I lost the spare spirit level bubbles by the time I got back last night...Quote:
Originally Posted by UKRob
Regards, Neil
I agree about quasi experts, many turners among them, I fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
Sadly, this sage advice almost immediately became obsolete when, on Aug 13th, 1913, arrived the invention of stainless steel by Harry Brearley, Sheffield, England. Three cheers for the english, please. Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah. Can you imagine what Isambard Kingdom Brunel would have done with stainless steel? He might have invented a stropless razor.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
Almost....Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterMoo
The first stainless was made, but it only sold to cutlery makers. There was some interest in the straight razor world, but early experimental pieces were not promising, especially as HB had been branded as the maker of the knife that would not cut. War stopped play, but by 1916 HB had reformulated the alloy and taken out patents.
Regards,
Neil
Sharptonn: Well said. I am under no illusion that I know more than Neil about anything, paticularly this subject. I am not an "expert" in anything. This thread turned vitriolic when I asked a sincere question about "resting" the edge. I wasn't giving advice, I asked a question after recalling an article that I had read a while back written by a metallurgist concerning "his" findings on "resting" the edge. Then the childish insults started about "resting" the edge, putting th razor to bed, etc.. I apoligize for my part in the negativity posted here, I just hope that a new member to this site posting his first question with trepidation of asking a "dumb question" never gets a reception like this. Again my apologies, particularly to Neil.
Don't forget 3 cans of Tartan paint.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKRob
And that do-hicky that's needed to fix all those whatchamacallits that are so old even the old timers can't remember their true name (but they would never admit it).Quote:
Originally Posted by lz6
No worries, Joe. It seems a somewhat controversial subject which comes up on occasion, sort of like honing with tape! :ziplip:Quote:
Originally Posted by wildfirejoe00
It has been 'proven' and debunked many times here. If you go to the search box on top right of the forum home page and type in 'resting the blade before stropping' there is a plethora of threads on the subject and some neat historical claims and articles on the subject submitted by members. I have actually read through some this morning. Like this thread, quite amusing!
FME and that of many others here, it just does not matter much.
Whatever works for you is what works. Proper stropping is key to lasting edges and good shaves, we all know that. Even a wide range of laps on fabric/leather are also discussed.
To be quite honest, I will admit I 'rest' my edges. As I strop and shave, wipe the edge and strop it off on a dry towel, and let it sit, blade open, till my next shave whereupon I strop it first, putting it away, and strop my current shaver before I shave again.
My reason for this is not to allow molecules to regroup. I shave in the morning and must be off to work. One stropping session of my previous razor and current one seems quite enough. I also will strop directly after the shave if I am not in a rush. Does not seem to matter one bit, FME.
You shall see as you search the subject, it is beaten to death. In fact, as you search just about ANY subject, you will find too much info, some controversial, some quite informative.
In a nutshell, searching and reading will show you much on the subject and clue you in on things to ask of and some to let lie. So to speak!
By all means ask questions and involve yourself in discussions. Also keep in mind that crotchity old Neil would not steer you wrong! :rofl2:
My dear Tom, I don't want to appear pedantic, but it is 'crotchety'.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
I feel particularly crabby today, so don't get my dander up!
Regards,
Neil (Groucho) Miller
:) :) :)
I stand corrected! (as usual!:rolleyes:)................................. .....See what I mean, Joe? :roflmao
As usual, Tom (Sharptonn) has said it much more elegantly than I can but just to add a resource to the mix, here is a link to the oft-ignored/missed/forgotten library of SRP which discusses stropping at some length (pun not intended, but funny). Razor stropping - Straight Razor Place Library
It is interesting to note because often people get steered right to the forum with their questions by Google or their search engine of choice, which on one hand is great, because it helps people to get to know each other as well as the topic about which they have a question, but can get tedious for those that are here a long time or visit a lot, because often it is missed that exact same question was discussed the day/week/month before. For that reason, you will sometimes see humorous or sarcastic responses begin an interplay among the longer term members, the humor of which can be missed by those unfamiliar with each other's styles or senses of humor.
Anyway, I didn't mean to belabor the point or extend this thread unnecessarily, but thought that given the influx of participants that we have after the holiday gift giving and IRS refund seasons, it might be good to point out that SRP has MANY valuable resources in addition to the Forum and its sub-forums among which are the Library and the Custom search box in the upper right which searches the entirety of the forum's history.
Enjoy shaving and each other!
Peace,
Harold (a happy shaver, with smiling razor, resting strop, and my favorite badger)
Dear Neil (G) Miller,Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
Don't ever change or your fanbase will wither away.
Yours,
R. Razorfeld alias the Pope
So this strop and razor salesman gets lost on a country road and stops at a farmers house and asks for a place to sleep for the night.......
Happened to be chatting about this the other day, about resting the blade, or allowing the blade to "fin", was interesting for one observation I thought.
If resting the blade is true, then stropping afterwards can only potentially damage or is not good for the razor, or so the thinking goes.
If you just put it away after a shave, clean of course, and then when you come to use it and normally strop the blade, then it's business as usual.
So either way the blade will get stropped, and with fewer strokes on the strop, less chance of any damage anyway.
I don't strop the blade after a shave anymore, was hard to argue that point....as the saying goes, just sayin' :shrug:
He asked for a place to "rest".Quote:
Originally Posted by WW243
92% certainty.
sooooooo, did the farmer have a daughter?Quote:
Originally Posted by WW243
who needed stropping?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
