OK where have I been. Kanayama stops have grits??
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OK where have I been. Kanayama stops have grits??
They don't. I asked.
The numbers are model numbers. With higher numbers meaning more components or harder to source leather. (Thicker or longer)
So if I bought the cheapest kanayama I wouldn't be stropping on a 2000 whatever grit strop. On one retailer it's called a coarse grit strop..
The numbers are related to the thickness of the strop AFAIK.Quote:
Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER
The 60000 and up have an extra piece of leather too.
Leather has no abrasive properties it is used to burnish the edge.
I know the last part of your post. I think everyone does. I think it's misleading for vendors to call the strop by a certain grit. Makes people question things.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
Do yo have a link where grits are mentioned? I have not seen such claims before.Quote:
Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER
Sure thing. I have never seen this before either which is why I asked if there was something different about the kanayama strops and maybe they were embedded with grit, which we know is false.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
https://www.fendrihan.ca/products/ka...ng-razor-strop
This is misleading..
Thats just what this site is claiming the numbers are. I'm sure if you ask them in a message where they got this info they won't have an actual source. The thing I find funny is I bought a kanayam strop from them a while back an saved their site so I could purchase another soon an mine still says that the 2196 "grit" is only 89$ not 125$ like the link you put up kinda strange.
Oh that's 125 canadian rupees.Quote:
Originally Posted by KsStraightShaver
I didn't even pay attention to that it was just kinda weird to me that there were 2 different prices. Now I know why.
Speaking of Grits, how can the leather be worked to the slick or smooth Finish without using Grit of some kind to finish for say an Cordovan strop, it would seem to me that all of those grits cannot be completely removed, resulting in scratches and possible gouges in Razor edges.
So, what I am asking is what material IS actually used to get to that Absolute finish
I have sanded a few pieces of leather to try to make a strop that was as smooth and soft as a kanayama from what I can tell no grit is left behind when sanding. As for getting it as smooth and soft as a Kanayama I cannot figure that part out yet. I have an Illinois strop that was my first Strop so I nicked it A few times after sanding it,it is soft and very smooth but not as slick and soft as a kanayama.
I usually try to not be rude. Seriously, I do try, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER
That is not just misleading. It's just plain, utterly stupid. I know vendor bashing is not allowed and I have no animosity toward the vendor, but the level of ignorance or deception required to produce such misinformation is just appalling.
I have a Kanayama 3 strop. What do you suppose the grit is on that?
,,,,,,0003 :shrug:
I suppose I can use it to sharpen road grader blades.
Grit would be FTFH- Finer than Frog Hair. Heyuk yuk yuk. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
Pretty irresponsible description by the vendor. I had that model strop and it performed just the same as my #80000 Kanoyama. Identical surfaces as far as I can tell, just different thickness of the backing of the stropping surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER
I've read even here some that believe that the there are differences in "grit" between the strops, specifically #30000, #50000, #80000...corrections if you say, Kanayama #3 vs Kanayama #30000...probably the text on Fendrihan is cut and pasted from another vendor info sheet. As mentioned, just differences in length...really no difference between the #6 and the #9 other than length, same strop with a few extra inches.
Here's the text from the aframestoyko site, looks virtually cut and pasted to Fendrihan:
The first finest Cordovan strop is about 3mm thick, and the second piece one is about 5mm thickness that is lower grit than the first finest Cordovan. It can use it before using the first finest Cordovan, or we can use it as we need it. It is much useful than canvas strop, because it is much higher grit than canvas strop.
KANOYAMA strops have longer and thicker strop version which is more expensive, but they are the same grit as this one. Thicker and longer version of stops are used older horse Cordovan, and this one is used younger horse Cordovan. To sharpening razor, the both of them get the same excellent result.
Maker mentions grit as well...so may be a translation issue.....
I have three Long cordovan strops, will Kanoyama rebuild them? It seems they would have to do that any way and I would like to know how they Finish the surface and with what Material?
Phrank I have to agree with you completely that in the case of Aframes Tokyo that it's just a translation error or something like that.
FAL I mentioned that I had sanded some leather pieces an a strop an it made it smoother an slicker with no grit left behind so far this is as for as I have gone other than a little leather conditioner on those same pieces/strop I have to say that of all my strops an leather that the kanayama strop is by far the most supple piece of leather I have ever handled. I am still unsure of how he does it but I did find a bit of info once about using the brains of the animal you got the leather from an it makes it super soft supple an a little more elastic ( which I've noticed my Kanayama has more elasticity than my other strops too) so maybe one day I'll buy some leather an cow brains an find out how to brain tan the leather an ill have the answer to his process.
I don't recall what this process was called but I do know you boil the brains until gelatinous which brings something out of the animal fat that the brain has more of an is more concentrated.
Here is a short tutorial how to make a paddle strop. I used the method described in Iwasaki's book. Pretty sure that is what Kanoyama does with their strops.Quote:
Originally Posted by FAL
http://straightrazorpalace.com/works...-tutorial.html
Here is the book in question:
I have had nothing but good things to say about Fendrihans. They sell a large range of products, not limited to shaving products. I have two Kanayama's from them both #70000. After exchanging emails prior to buying them, it was clear that they had no real imagination of what grit was let alone alleging maliciously that one strop was this or that, in fact they have two Kanayama strops marked #6300 and #2196, now only a dope would conclude that figures of this type refer to grit as in particle size. C'mon guys, if some one offered you a Stone with a grit of 2196, what would you reasonably conclude. Retailers stock items made by other people, as Kanayama strops are sold over the world. To suggest that any company would assert a strop had a grit rating just tells you they don't shave with straights. It is unwise to suggest or allege maliciousness referring to trade practice mis-conduct.
You are correct Phrank,
What has been suggested as 'Stupid' and 'misleading' in this thread is information used by a favoured retailer in Aframestokyo. Company bashing is against the rules for this exact reason.
Perhaps, this will help explain the finish, it is more about the leather, AND the finish that produces the Shell shinny finish.
From an article in the Gentleman’s Gazette, blog, on Horween’s and the Cordovan leather making process.
Here is the link to the article. Cordovan Leather from Horween.
Since the mid 19th century, the term Cordovan has been generally applied to leather made from the shell of horse butts. Unlike other leather, the shell is a membrane in the middle of two epidermis layers in the rear portion of a horse butt. It begins about 24″ from the tail and extends about 24″ to 28″ on each side. The exact size depends on the particular horse.
In the late 19th century, German tanners had mastered the art of tanning shell cordovan butts. The product was sold as “Spiegelware”, which literally translates to “mirror goods.” The name is a reference to the fact that polished cordovan achieves a mirror-like finish. Unlike other leathers, its pores are not visible to the naked eye. Nevertheless, the leather was still rather firm or stout and hence not ideally suited for the shoe production.